Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon | RETalkPodcast
The Ultimate Real Estate Unveiling! Raw, Real & Revealing insights from industry experts
Dive headfirst into real estate's most electrifying depths with industry legends - Jesus Castanon, Josh Cadillac, and Richard L. Barbara. Why legends? With billion-dollar deals, groundbreaking innovations, and wisdom that's transformed the landscape, they've not just witnessed the game; they've been the game-changers. And if that's not enough, they're joined by a parade of industry-expert guests, spilling secrets and dishing advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
Expect RAW, REAL strategies that shook the market, REVEALING insights, and timely takes on today's market, coupled with actionable advice.
This isn't your typical real estate chitchat. This is RETalkPodcast - where the titans and top minds of the industry unite. Dive in, and prepare to have your real estate perceptions rocked!
Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon | RETalkPodcast
EPISODE 34: Discussing Miami's Business Evolution and Modern-Day Parenting Struggles
Ever wonder what happens when New Yorkers start flowing into Miami? We're stirring up a vibrant discussion on the changes shaping the Miami business culture due to the influx of individuals from diverse backgrounds. With perspectives ranging from the political to the educational, we navigate the new dynamics redefining the city's landscape. We’ll delve into the remarkable story of Griffin from The Citadel offering schools a whopping 30 million dollars for his employees' children to get a foot through their doors.
As we switch gears, we'll reflect on summer, sports, and the Snow White narrative. We contrast summer experiences in Pennsylvania and Miami, weigh the pros and cons of introducing synthetic adversity through sports, and discuss the refreshing storyline of the new Snow White movie. But that’s not all. We also discuss the language we use to describe our kids and its impact.
The last leg of our conversation revolves around the challenges of parenting amid the digital era and economic disparities. We consider the culture of ‘keeping up with the Joneses,' the introduction of synthetic materials in clothing, and the effects of social media on child development. The exploration of these factors offers us a peek into the reality of raising kids today--an often complex but rewarding endeavor. So buckle up as we dive into this intriguing journey, sprinkling our personal anecdotes along the way.
Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon - @retalkpodcast: The Ultimate Real Estate Unveiling! Raw, Real & Revealing insights from industry experts
Dive headfirst into real estate's most electrifying depths with industry legends - Jesus Castanon, Josh Cadillac, and Richard L. Barbara. Why legends? With billion-dollar deals, groundbreaking innovations, and wisdom that's transformed the landscape, they've not just witnessed the game; they've been the game-changers. And if that's not enough, they're joined by a parade of industry-expert guests, spilling secrets and dishing advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
Expect RAW, REAL strategies that shook the market, REVEALING insights, and timely takes on today's market, coupled with actionable advice.
This isn't your typical real estate chitchat. This is RETalkPodcast - where the titans and top minds of the industry unite. Dive in, and prepare to have your real estate perceptions rocked!
Meet The Legends:
Jesus Castanon: Visionary CEO of Real Estate EMPIRE Group, transforming property transactions into success stories.
Josh Cadillac: Renowned real estate coach, national speaker, and author; revolutionizing the art of 'closing for life.'
Richard L. Barbara, Esq.: Florida's legal luminary, pioneering change and setting the gold standard in real estate advocacy.
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Speaker 2:Episode 34, I actually remembered, man, I can't get over this. I would be lying if I tell you I didn't put thought now. So I love these podcasts, like when we're here, we're fun, right, but these fucking cameras stress me out, man, like it's. Like you know, your wife has that mirror that you can see everything you have a sweet blackhead. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy and I'm shiny as hell. Right now I'm not even sweating, but I'm shiny.
Speaker 1:It makes you think about it.
Speaker 2:So Richard let me ask you a question, man. So we grew up in Miami, right, we grew up in Miami business, we grew up in the real estate industry, in business. You know, I even tested it the other day we could get with two phone calls, we could get to anybody in Florida, pretty much that, fair to say, definitely in Miami, definitely in South Florida, definitely in Miami, definitely in South Florida. Usually one right, yeah. So we've grown up in this business, we've done everything. Are you not? Even are you concerned about these New Yorkers, these California guys moving in, you know, and changing the dynamic? We got a lot of these bigger companies moving in now, right, I also think that. I also think that we're almost the new New York. You know, they always said if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere.
Speaker 2:Motherfucker. Let me tell you something. Man Coming to Miami, where there's 35 different cultures yeah right, I describe so what people don't understand. Like someone, I'm trying to explain the Miami business culture to people, so I'm like imagine a place where there's people from every broken country you can possibly imagine. Yeah Right, anytime there's a political coup, what does Trump call him? Shithole country Shithole country right yeah that's our boy, trump, right? So I don't get out of the fan of the guy, but you gotta you know that's funny.
Speaker 1:No, that's funny, he's very funny. I mean, he's incredibly funny. Funny, funny, yeah.
Speaker 2:So. But I mean, you know if there's a political coup in Columbia? If there's, you know wherever the hell people are running, and I'm hearing Ukrainians are coming.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean, they're North Miami yeah, north Miami, I mean.
Speaker 2:So imagine a culture where everybody's coming from every broken country Venezuela, colombia, this and that. What they don't understand is that they come from like New York and California, where a contract is a contract, where to a place where a contract is just a mild suggestion. Yeah, like the pirate code.
Speaker 1:Of whatever their guidelines.
Speaker 2:Of whatever should happen. You know what I mean. Like it's so doing a deal and with people that have no respect for the law whatsoever because they're not supposed to, because, well, they're supposed to, they're just not used to it. Well, right, because in their country they're just, it's just okay, there's a contract or there's a police. Dude, I've been to these countries. You don't get a ticket, you pay the police officer off.
Speaker 1:Like you want a ticket, or you want to pay, you want to take it, you know, so it's a culture of, like, corruption, of corruption, right Culture of corruption.
Speaker 2:So we're already that. Now you add to that the New Yorkers and their political leanings right, because the reason why we are doing Florida's doing as well as it is and I don't give a, you know I try not to get us political here, but it is what it is DeSantis is the reason why. Is he perfect? No, is there issues that we have that we need to take care of, like the insurance one, which is a major issue? Yes, but I mean we're doing as well as we're doing because of the way, you know, our politics were structured by him and everything. And are these New Yorkers going to turn this into like?
Speaker 1:you know, no, no, no, because there isn't sufficient density of them. I don't think there isn't enough of them, but I do agree with you that. So look, if you have enough money, right, take Griffin from. You know the Citadel guy comes from.
Speaker 2:Chicago Right, that's one right, you know, and.
Speaker 1:I mean I heard this wild story there. I don't know if it's true, but it sounds good.
Speaker 2:Where he gave it should be true.
Speaker 1:It is not a should be Right right and I think it's true, where he gave, he offered like a few schools 30 million bucks so that they would take his employees' children into the schools. Okay, and I think, like Ransom said no. And I think why would they say no? Well, because, you know, they didn't feel like they needed it, I guess. So, so Ransom said no and I think so.
Speaker 2:Ransom for our Australian fans and fans from other places.
Speaker 1:It's one of the finest private schools, is it? The school Could be Ransom Everglades, I mean there's a few that are like the so Ransom Everglades, just so you guys know, to give you a little context.
Speaker 2:So when I first went there, I went there for a basketball game, right, I was not in Ransom Everglades, I was in the opposite of Ransom Everglades, right?
Speaker 1:And I show up.
Speaker 2:I show up for a basketball game there and I remember I will never Looks like an Apple store.
Speaker 1:I will never, I mean it's amazing.
Speaker 2:I will never forget the day I walked into Ransom Everglades. So much so that from that, from then on, when I had a date, I would take them to ransom Everglades, like I was, like I just saw the most beautiful place. I needed to take girls there to see it. Like it was just. I couldn't believe it. Strange, I mean pretty place but strange. Well, you need a quiet place to be with your lady and you want an ocean view.
Speaker 1:Ocean view. Ocean view school with sailboats man. The football field leads on to the bay Like they kick it into the water.
Speaker 2:Right, that's an issue. I mean, there used to be a kid back there. That was back in the boat getting the football Right, so it's on the bay. So if the football goes into the water, there's an actual kid from the sailing team that goes out there and gets it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's amazing, so anyway, so ransom said no, and I think maybe Carrollton said no as well, but Gulliver ended up taking it. So I mean Gulliver's, they're under construction. I mean building new campuses.
Speaker 2:Did you get that from the source that I think you got it from?
Speaker 1:Our boy uh.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1:No, but he does. It was funny. I was with him yesterday when we were talking about how the high school is getting a new campus. I mean it's going to be spectacular. So, but when you have, when you have enough money, okay, I don't think there are real barriers to entry. Okay, so, like Mr Griffin is here and we're welcoming him and we love to have him in Florida, and the reality of the matter is that his you know, his learning curve isn't you know? I mean, come on, he's Ken Griffin of Citadel.
Speaker 1:Now I can tell you that I have New Yorker friends and in fact they're, you know, quasi business partners that they have had like a shock, you know, like they thought they were going to get here and operate like New York and that this was New York. And I got New York friends and my New York this and New York that, and they've taken a beating and they concede they're like, hey, you know, it's a different world down here. Number one the quality of people, quite frankly, of the work that they do. So I have doctors that friends that came from New York and they're shocked about how poor, by comparison, our medical care is. Like you know, this one guy he shall remain nameless, was like I'm in the hospital and they're killing people. I mean it's crazy, bro, they'll kill you here, you know.
Speaker 1:And so now you think about the care that we have in comparison to some of these broken countries, and you know, people come from those countries to Miami. So you know, like, in that sense, we're, you know, everything is relative, but yeah, I mean, it's a. I don't think they're going to change the dynamic, I don't think there's enough of them. We welcome them here. I'll tell you what has changed the price of amenities. Okay, so, like all the clubs down here, all the private clubs Lagorse, riviera, ocean Reef, these places, indian Creek.
Speaker 2:But it has to do with that, or it has to do with just that. Everything's double.
Speaker 1:No well, everything is certainly more expensive. But what happens is that, like you know, before when you were at these places, there was, you know, fees, annual fees and things like that weren't always going up, maybe the initiation fees, what you got to pay to get in, but what you pay once you're there, those weren't rising aesthetically. But now what happens is they're pricing out people that have been there for 30 years because it's like, oh, we don't want to pay 20 grand a year in dues and it's like, really, because the New Yorkers think that that's incredibly cheap. They're used to paying 250 grand a year.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what's happening to real estate too, right? Right, I mean as a whole, same thing, same thing, same concept. So I think in that sense that changes.
Speaker 1:The restaurant scene has certainly gotten a lot better. A lot of these big New York groups have opened restaurants. Here I mean just major food group alone, you know there's a bunch of new high-end restaurants. Thomas Keller literally just opened the new place in Coral Gables at the La Palma building. So in the past four years alone the saturation of quality luxury living dynamics has gotten much better and I think that's because real money has come in from these places New York, chicago, california and you know.
Speaker 2:So you're saying that the saturation of them is not enough, and maybe that the and now we also got to use a little bit of common sense there and say, look, those guys are running away from that.
Speaker 1:Right right.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be a while before they start turning back into that. And I mean look there's a and there might not have never been that Right right?
Speaker 1:Usually those guys are not. And again, remember, everything is, you know, the majority rules in a way, and especially on these social justice and type issues. I mean, I think there are three reasons why Florida has really benefited since COVID and one of them is of course, the governor and the governor's policy. And you know we made a hat. It was very funny, you know that is a hat that says you know Florida, and then it says open sense the whole fucking time. You know and-.
Speaker 2:Are you okay with the waters man, please? I'm sorry, man. Thank you.
Speaker 1:That's. It's funny and it's accurate. So we also. The weather, okay, is a big motivator here, believe it or not, although once they get hit by a hurricane, you know they kind of hesitate, but here's but you know what else? A big one. No state income tax, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But let me tell you something about the weather. I think that those guys they don't. So I go to as you know, I go to Pennsylvania a lot, right? So these Pennsylvania guys are always talking oh, I want to go to Miami, I want to go to Miami, I want to go to Miami, you know so. So much so that we just had 30 of them come down for like a wrestling camp that we would usually go up there, and they came down here. But so I've been over there for the summer. That's beautiful weather.
Speaker 1:I mean it's 70s, I know man, but that's three months out of the year. Nine months out of the year they're getting their ass kicked.
Speaker 2:But that's what they think summer is is what I've realized. Oh yeah, they come over here and their assholes are sweating.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know what I'm saying. It's like it's 7am. Why is it 95 degrees? Why?
Speaker 2:am I sweating?
Speaker 1:on the way to my car at 7am.
Speaker 2:So their concept of summer is a little bit off. And when they get there and they get hit with the real summer, it's like it's funny. Summer here hurts man when we talk about that.
Speaker 1:It's just more of a reminder of, like where we grew up and where we're from, which is like not you know I joke about it with Rodney now that like for people that the word summer is a verb you know, when it's like where do you summer?
Speaker 1:I used to summer at fucking Continental Park and we had a slip and slide and we played basketball. But the fact of the matter is that you know, the snowbirds, they got it right. I mean, down at Ocean Reef, which is, by the way, is a place here. It's beautiful golf courses, you name it, pools and you know now it's like they're dead. They're dead time Right. So you know, now it's like when they're happy to have the people from Miami there.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Melanie.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, appreciate it. The fact of the matter is that you know the snowbirds, as they call them. They go back up north, you know, during when the weather's beautiful up there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got it right.
Speaker 1:they got it right, you know and then they come down here when the weather's horrific over there, that's right, but summer's not summer, right?
Speaker 2:I mean like sorry, when they come over here it's for the winter, it's basically a summer.
Speaker 1:Right, that's exactly right, and that's the beauty of it. Of course, our summers are painful and they're very hot, but it's you know, four months out of the year, and then the rest you have temperate climate. Yeah, you know. So it's like you're doing better.
Speaker 2:You know, at 70, 80% of the time You're 60 degrees here and you go outside and you go to the office and it's like, it's like you see the women with the high boots.
Speaker 1:The hugs right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the scarves, yeah, the ear muffs.
Speaker 1:And you can still buy 11 in the morning. It's 80. Right, right, right right. So you know that's it's morning. Winter lasts hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah morning, winter wear, yeah, so let me ask you a question. So you're, how is it being? Because I'm enjoying the your transition into being a sports dad, right.
Speaker 1:Wonderful.
Speaker 2:It's fun. Huh yeah, it's cool. It's cool stuff, it's the best. Yeah, yeah, it's. You know, man, one thing I you know, you and I have had. I'm sure we had these conversations before but my take on sports is that if you're doing okay financially and you know, and you have the ability to have your kid go through life without any adversity whatsoever, that's not necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 2:A kid not having any adversity is. It's even psychologists even say that your brain does not like your brain is meant to handle through, through. You know growing and everything is. It's supposed to handle a certain amount of adversity to develop correctly. So I got some friends that you know we go back and forth on it Cause I mean I got one in particular. It's a little bit of an extreme. It's like I mean his whole job is to make sure that his kids have zero adversity, just growing up. Right, I mean zero.
Speaker 2:Are you preparing, you know? Are you preparing somebody for life? You know, and I think that sports is what I call synthetic adversity. Yeah Right, it is tears, it is joy, it is. You know, it is. You know this person beat me today, especially in these. You know team sports a little bit less and you know I grew up playing team sports and I got a little bit of understanding of it, of working hard and everything. But you know my kids are both my son Russell's and my daughters, and tennis and man. What you know at six, seven years old, you know crying for hours cause you lost and then and then working hard for three, four, five months with you know a person's picture in your room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:And chasing them, you know, and actually going and beating them you know, at the highest stage in youth sports. You know it builds something into that. That shit I didn't have. You know what I mean. Like well, cause, that's cause we had real adversity, right.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I was gonna say I'm pretty sure I had some adversity, but I mean adversity, but I mean listen, I was blessed to growing up, but sports is incredibly important. You know psychology and things like that is not something I know a lot about. You're listening out there for those of you who think I know everything think that I think I know everything.
Speaker 1:I don't know a lot about psychology and things like that, but it seems right. I mean it's definitely, you know, a life experience. I mean you gotta if you, if you never lose, you have no idea how good it is to win. You know so and that's the same with everything else. You know if you struggle, then when you have good times you're able to kind of understand how good the good times are and what bad times are.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing like in our kids' lives. You know, and I get criticized sometimes by some of my friends and you know, as far as you know, how hard we go at it. Yeah, even me.
Speaker 1:Right, well, not anymore, not anymore, no, not anymore. At the beginning you did. You know what was your saying. No semblance of a normal childhood.
Speaker 2:So Richard and I's friendship. You know, here we're very filtered with each other right now, right, but in our regular lives there's zero filter. So we were at a thing at your office or something and I took my son and he introduces me and he introduces my son and he goes by the way that kid, he has nothing that even remotely resembles a normal life.
Speaker 1:A normal childhood. Yeah, yeah, poor kid which, by the way, childhood, you know, is a relatively new concept. It's. It's pretty fascinating cause, you know, like baby clothes and all that, like that's all relatively new. If you look at photos of like the 1800s 17, you know, like when cameras were, you know, could just kind of came out family.
Speaker 2:Everybody does the same type of stuff.
Speaker 1:Right, there were like little adult clothes, you know so, and you know they were basically children, were a good way to kind of like build up your employee coffers, you know, like they worked, they worked the family business, they worked the farms, you know. But now this notion of concept, and you know, of childhood and child labor laws, I mean these are all relatively new and primarily in the United States. I mean, as we know, in other countries they're not nearly as sensitive to the needs of children. Kids work right away, you know. So I mean they don't let adults suffer adversity here to these. Really.
Speaker 1:I mean people suffer it, but man it's like you're not allowed to have anxiety. Now, If you have anxiety, we're gonna give you a pill for it.
Speaker 2:I mean it's crazy. I tell my son all the time like I don't. From early age I don't have a memory of going to school and not being worried about getting in a fight, I mean about there's somebody there that I might have an issue with at some point. There's, you know, there's the you know, and that's the thing. That's what leads me to that Like and that's one of the other questions that you know you and I talk about you know privately, you know private school versus public school you know, so, um, my, my, and again, you know, for all you feminists out there, here's some real good conversation for you guys.
Speaker 2:Different, is it different to raise a boy than it is to raise a girl? Do you go a little harder? Of course, it's different, right, you know what I'm saying. Like the girl's allowed to be a princess and a little bit more protected, and you know.
Speaker 1:And the boy so is public school and, by the way, all the feminists are hating that word right now, your use of the word princess. Oh right, it's like offensive?
Speaker 2:No, and I assign gender to that. Yeah, right, are you crazy?
Speaker 1:Have you seen the girl that's gonna be the new Snow White? No, oh my God, she's getting a huge beating. We routinely talk about Disney I happen to be a fan of Disney, okay, and you know I don't think they're the devil, but I certainly disagree with some of the things they've been doing. But anyway, that's another conversation. But the girl that they're about to remake Snow White there are no dwarves, of course, because that's offensive, even if you call them dwarves in that image. No, no, they're not. No, that dwarf is like a bad word.
Speaker 1:Dwarf is not a bad word to say yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so you don't wanna say that, but so there are no dwarves. I think there's maybe one person who's not very tall and then vertically challenged, like me and the new Snow White. She apparently is not a fan of the original Snow White, or at least that's what they say about her, that she hates Snow White, and she did this interview on the red carpet and they were like oh the actual actress.
Speaker 1:The actual actress is gonna do it. And she was on a red carpet or something. She was being interviewed and they asked her they're like oh, what do you think of? Tell us about your character and this and that? And she was like, well, it's not 1933, okay, so she's not waiting on the prince to rescue her or anything else, and it's gonna be about how she takes charge of her, which, by the way, listen, I have a daughter. So in a way, I love that right, like, in a way, I'm like, okay, this is great, and she doesn't have to wait for the man to rescue her. That's of course. Of course, that's common sense. But I just wanted to point out that your use of the word princess is problematic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so listen, don't get me, you know, don't get me cranking, brother.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying you know what buttons to push, I'm just. I'm just If anybody knows what buttons to push, is you?
Speaker 2:So? My whole thing is this right? Our Jordan Peterson said a couple. He said one thing. He says a lot of things that I really agree with. But you know, one of the things is that we our soul not soul but our most important job as parents is to make sure our kids are liked right, that they're likable. Yeah Right, have you. You know, and in my world I see, you know, we're traveling the country and going to these tournaments and everything. And then there's both sides they're like dude, this dad's real cool and this kid's a dick. And then there's like the vice versa. You know what I mean, dude, the kid's such a nice kid I can't believe that. Assholes is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So our job, you know if people have that with me, they see my daughter and she's like such a sweet little girl, and then you, and then it's like my God, send me to the sweetheart too Right, that's it. Listen, I only look stupid.
Speaker 2:So, so, so you know. So again, kids are. If we go with that concept, that look, our job is to make sure that our kids are likable, but is it also that our kids can flourish and communicate with any social group per se, right? So is it going full private, top of the school, top of the line schools, right? Just as extreme as going through the worst schools, where you know, let's not call it a culture of winning, it's a culture it's a whole different culture of survival.
Speaker 2:Culture of survival. You know, more single parents, more crime, more drugs. Well, more drugs is depends on who you ask, right, better drugs?
Speaker 1:There's plenty of drugs at private school, I think.
Speaker 2:So is. Should we think about it as a balance, right? Should we? And again, let's say I'm talking to you as, let's take your daughter out of it. Let's say you have a son, right, do you go a little bit half and half Do you want him to go to? You know, look at, and a friend of mine brought something up. He's like, so what do you want your kid to do? I'm like, well, I want him to have his own company, and you know, okay, so who would be his employees? Be, right, right, I mean, do you need to be able to come in? And you know, listen, man, I've realized that you know extreme wealth. It's almost a different language. At some point, of course, you know you're the clothes you wear, everything.
Speaker 1:Right, the people you're around, the things you do, I mean it's it's it's, it's, you know.
Speaker 2:You almost communicate without communicate. You know what I mean. You could tell by what a guy's wearing you know, everything, I think, is a balance.
Speaker 1:I mean, look, kids have to have adversity. I mean, first of all, I'm a firm believer in the fact that there is not really a level playing field. Okay, I mean, there's just not. We got friends in our group of friends that we that we have the chat every day. That one of them was now. He moved to a different school now but one of them was a teacher at a school that's, you know, let's call it a survival culture school and he was there for years and the stories the guy would tell us about what those kids go through on a daily basis. I mean, it's just not the same environment. Can you make it? And do many of those kids make it? They do, but those are odds beaters, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Whereas you know You're born with a special something inside Right, right, those are odds beaters, because it's like anything else, man, you know, if you're always in a place and it's cold and it's damp and you don't have the right, you know clothing and you don't. You know you're, you're, you're always hungry.
Speaker 2:You know what your parents are giving you? The wrong message.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's gonna be hard and it's harder. You're stacking the chips, you know. And then you go to a place where everything is reassuring, Everything's beautiful for everything state of the art, you know, and you have all the right kinds of support. The parents are involved because they have time to be involved. Yeah Right, you know, like you got four room moms, like per grade, you know where, like my daughter goes to school, there's like a room mom, there's like a committee of room moms and it's like they do a birthday party and it's like they worry about you know, are you right?
Speaker 2:They just fucking fleet of helicopters.
Speaker 1:Are you? Are you bringing in, you know, no nuts please? And it's like no nuts. And the other place was like is this food Right? It's just fucking amazing kids. They're one for the teacher, you know. So it's, it's everything. Everything is relative, so of course there should be some balance. You know what I think the beauty of sports, especially for the kids that are, let's call it, you know, like Silver Spoon, has a negative connotation, but for the kids that have it better, let's say, sports is good, because losing sucks for everybody, you know, and you typically play against kids that come from the survival type schools and those kids, you know, typically oh, they're on your team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're on your team too, and so you know, you, you kind of by putting them in that, in that situation, they get exposed to, I think, more a bigger variety of what life is really like, and that's valuable, you know.
Speaker 2:It's like you see, some of the most fucked up people I've met come from the higher society. Of course, Parents weren't there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you that sent me that thing the other day. That that the only one that's going to remember you working late late nights Is your kids?
Speaker 1:Yeah, killed me, killed me, the only one that's going to remember you working late. In 20 years, in 20 years, in 20 years. The only people that'll remember you working late was your kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's a real one right there.
Speaker 1:That's the balance for us too. I mean, you know, like it's, listen, I like nice things, I want to have nice things, I want to be able to do the things that you know some of my relatives and the people I work for do, and I see that, and it's very difficult to be around them. There really is something to be said for that cliche of keeping up with the Joneses. You know, like I never understood. 20 years ago I didn't really understand that phrase, Cause I didn't know any Joneses. Well, you hadn't met any Joneses.
Speaker 1:Right, I was about to say I didn't know any Joneses. But now that I know, a bunch of Joneses. I just surrounded my Joneses, I'm like God damn, I'm so far you know, I wake up in the morning and it's like I'm far away.
Speaker 2:We were talking about that just a couple days ago.
Speaker 1:Like, oh, I gotta remember my name's. I'm closer to Martinez than I am to Jonesy, you know so, so it's hard, it's hard, but but you know, look and we were talking about it a minute ago, about what the kids can and can't do nowadays it was a great movie called the Goonies. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Yeah, of course it's in the fucking 80s classic. How fucking dare you ask me about the Goonies. I mean, I don't know, bro Did you have a TV.
Speaker 1:I keep hearing the story about the Rip Sneakers bro. So yeah, no, it was Blue Pumos bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody got a lot of people got their asses kicked because those Pumas. I thought you had air. They were air conditioned, Listen man, so so literally a lot of people got their asses kicked for those cause. Making fun of me with those Pumas.
Speaker 1:So so we're watching the Goonies recently and I'll never forget that when the movie ended, one of like the biggest takeaways that my kid had was that she was like where were the parents this whole time, Right, you know? And it was like what do you mean? The dad was like working and she was like no, no, no, Because you know, like the kids are running around, bro, Like they're on their bikes, isn't that? They're gone for like hours on end? Right? No cell phones. You know, like in our day, dude, we got on the bike and, fucking, we drove around. It's not hours, I'm sure there are places in the United States.
Speaker 2:Wake up in the morning and haul ass. Don't come back without a cell phone and a tracker Right, right, like just go and ride all day. Be home before dark. Be home before dark. Be home before dark. Dude right.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, I'm certain that there are still places in the United States where you can do that. And, by the way, that's great. You know that's what it's like. You know what's the guy? Jason Aldean? The guy got a horrible. He almost got canceled recently. Well, it depends. Half the country elevated his music to the top of the charts and the other country, like you know, they've made voodoo dolls.
Speaker 2:One of the. Try this in a small town, yeah.
Speaker 1:So look in small towns I'm sure they still have more of that. Okay, In Miami, personally, father of a little girl, my daughter will never get on the bike and like go for a ride, Like she's never going to go. I'm going to ride to my friend's house because you know well, I'm a glass half empty guy by nature, you know, and I watch way too much TV, I guess, and read the news, and she's never going to do that. If I had a son, it would probably be a little easier to let him do that.
Speaker 2:So let me tell you one thing that, like, did I send you okay, did I send you the meme that we made of my son with the egg in his hand? I didn't send, I did no, you didn't fucking pay attention to it. I'm like dude, you got to look at this and you didn't pay attention to it.
Speaker 1:You sent the love shit. Oh wait, I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So one of the beautiful things I love about wrestling- oh yeah, One of the beautiful things I love about wrestling is that I go to places that I would never, ever have an excuse to go to, right?
Speaker 2:So I mean a barn in the middle of of Orban, ohio, you know what I mean, like, like, or another farm in, like Maryland, you know. So. So what those kids do, that we wouldn't dare do our kids. So I mean I get there and I really try. I really understand the concept that we're we're just too helicoptery, so I go out of my way to loosen up that helicopteriness. You know for a better term, right. So when we get there, yeah, my son is squirrel hunting with my fucking hillbilly buddies, you know what I'm saying so.
Speaker 2:I got pictures of him with squirrels in a full camouflage gear. They're on their ATV and I'm like fuck man, there's three of them on an ATV with a fucking gun in their hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The pothole and shit goes off. You're right. Yeah, exactly, so I mean I'm you know like they're in the woods.
Speaker 2:and I remember one time I got there I'm like, hey, where's the lodge? I'm like, oh, I don't know, and he's back there somewhere. And back there somewhere is just a yeah, you look back.
Speaker 1:Back there somewhere is a fucking field of forest.
Speaker 2:So and I'm like as loose as I'm trying to be. I'm like, dude, where the fuck is he? You know what I mean. So now I'm like walking through the woods screaming, hey, you know. And then you know again, they come all full of mud with a couple squirrels in their hands and they're looking for deer. And you know, like the hunting cult, we're not part of a hunting culture at all. Right, so I get a video. I get a video from another buddy of mine that were dove hunting and it's, you know, his son with a fucking shotgun, and you know, and sending a video, hey, I'm dove hunting and everything. That's like a whole different world. So I don't know about running around the streets, but there's a whole world, as city slickers that we are, that we don't know exist. So the funny thing is that the video that I sent that I sent Richard was yeah, you know again, my son's never seen, you know, like a chicken coop you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So now he's like yeah, this came out of the bird's ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, he's like, he's like fuck.
Speaker 1:I'm never eating eggs again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's asking his buddy, which you know we call, you know he calls, they call us derogatory Hispanic and we call them derogatory.
Speaker 1:You know, hillbilly and this and that you know.
Speaker 2:So you know he's like he's asking, you know my son's asking, you know his Hillbilly buddy. Let's say you know, hey, is the little chickens? The chickens come out of this and he's holding an egg. Yeah, and the face of his buddy is like what? And we caught a picture of it. He's like no asshole the stork braids them and we made a meme out of it.
Speaker 2:So you know it's kind of interesting and another thing that we have to deal with too, talking about letting the kids go out and everything that we have to deal with that you know that our parents didn't have to deal with and everything, and is a social media part of it. Oh my God man.
Speaker 1:That's a scary part. What a nightmare man.
Speaker 2:That's a scary part, right. So you know, if you add, you know, I heard the other day, and I don't necessarily think it's true, but it's easier to raise a kid when you're broke, right. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:No man, no way.
Speaker 2:Well, hold on it's hard in different ways, dude, but hold on. So you know if you're raising a kid in a 10,000 square foot mansion versus, you know, a one bedroom apartment. Are you closer together, right?
Speaker 1:Are you more in tune? Yeah, you're so, on top of it, you probably fucking hate each other.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, or you're just way closer right. You know, like when you go to a hotel room, you know when you stay at a hotel.
Speaker 1:You know what? I'm willing to concede that I think richer kids can be more awkward Like they In non-rich settings.
Speaker 2:If you take them out of veil, right. If you take them out of the-.
Speaker 1:Right, and even with their parents. It's weird the interaction can be. I can't listen. There are exceptions to every rule, obviously. On the show we recently talked about helox and it was probably a home equity line of credit and we were like, hey, you're not technically, you're not really supposed to use it to go traveling and shopping, and of course there's exceptions to every rule. And some asshole was like that's not true, it's a portfolio product and you can, there's a bank that'll do it. And it's like yeah, man, what I'm saying is generally-.
Speaker 2:Federally asshole.
Speaker 1:Okay. So there's an exception to every rule. Nothing in this life is 100%, except what they say. Death and taxes, right, the only two certainties. So look, I see it on both sides. It's gotta be harder to a certain extent, because you can't. They do leave the one, the 600 square foot apartment, and they go out, and they're inevitably gonna have friends that are wealthier. So in my family specifically, I'll give you an example I got a bunch of older brothers. One of them is a wildly successful guy. I'm talking jets, boats, planes, you know him.
Speaker 2:A huge pain in the ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, huge pain in the ass. You call him my sister, right? It's actually a great one, it's very funny. But then I have another brother who was more corporate America type and, by the way, he's done very well for himself, nice guy.
Speaker 1:He's done very well for himself. He has two daughters and I remember that when they were kids they would go and hang out with my other brother's kids, their cousins, and then they'd come back and they'd say things to my brother like, well, why can't we do this and why can't we do that? And my brother would have to tell them because we're not Oscar, you know, we don't have that kind of money, we don't do that, you know. And so that's got. And, by the way, they were living in Coral Gables and going to private school, like they didn't have it bad.
Speaker 1:It's like, trust me, you don't know, you have a fucking banana hammock, you know, and it's like what's that? It's like a hammock for your bananas. Trust me, not everybody has one of those. That's from a funny movie, actually, but it was really like that. But still so, that's gotta be hard, that's gotta be taxing. I sent you that video the other day. I know it killed me. I was like who's cutting onions.
Speaker 1:And there was this dad that it was his daughter's birthday and he couldn't afford a cake. He could not afford a cake for his daughter's birthday, but he managed to get a slice of cake, okay, and so it's a video of him coming into, like his 600 square foot apartment that looked like nine people lived in it and he had the little candle on the cake and the little girl broke down crying. It was like the greatest thing she had ever seen. It's gotta be very hard, so is it easier? I don't know. Might they be exposed to less problematic things? Maybe at the same time, they're gonna have to suffer a higher level of desperation, right? So they?
Speaker 2:might-, but if we just discussed that, you need a certain amount of adversity, right. So we are who we are, right, you and I, which, as different as we are, we're very, very, very similar, right? As much as we argue. I don't say we're different, but as much as we argue, which is a lot. I could tell you I'd argue with you pretty much more than anybody in my life period Can't even ask for.
Speaker 1:tell me you.
Speaker 2:So, but we grew up kinda like I think our dads did moms too, and everything right but I think of growing. There's that famous picture that I always bring up with you, you know, in military fatigue right. So there's a picture of Richard. If he could send it to you, we could put it up on the screen right Of him. I will, I'll send it it's pretty good, yeah, it's his dad and Richard dressed in military fatigues. Right, richard's climbing a fucking rope, right, you know, on a tree, right? So you know we can't-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he'd open fire in the house too. Right, right, so-.
Speaker 2:Like at TVs and shit Right, so his dad was a unique, absolutely very unique individual, colorful, very colorful, colorful character. I mean, it's like you're sitting there and you're talking to somebody out of a fucking movie. You know what I mean. So you know his desk had to be elevated so that everybody has to like look up at him, right, so that everybody has to look up at him.
Speaker 1:Your neck was perpetually cocked in the upward position.
Speaker 2:Right, so his desk. He purposely elevated his desk so when you would meet with him you were kinda looking up and the trinkets on his desk were like a grenade.
Speaker 1:Grenades. I actually have the grenade in my office, the one he put on his desk.
Speaker 2:And the floor wasn't the floor. Red Blood, red carpet.
Speaker 1:Blood red floor. Right, you know, like crazy, right, it was like out of a He'd sit there with his ring and just-.
Speaker 2:Right out of a movie, you know. So we are. Oh wow, another round of waters. No, no, it's just coffee.
Speaker 1:Is that?
Speaker 2:drinks oh, that's coffee.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you, Black. Can I have it sorry?
Speaker 2:Is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 2:Thank you for going of them beyond you know the call of duty Above them beyond.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what did I say Of the non? Some shit.
Speaker 2:Of the non beyond. They're wrong and fastest on the wrong syllable yeah, no, no, nothing, just black. So you know, if we're going, if our job as parents is to raise, is our job as humans right? And specifically in today's society where we want, it's fair to say that the bar is set really really low, right as far as a person having, you know, a certain amount of mental toughness and being able to go through adversity, mental toughness, what's?
Speaker 1:that.
Speaker 2:Right, so you know it's you know. So, yeah, I think that they a person who is below middle class or close there. You know, extreme, extreme poverty.
Speaker 1:They develop mental toughness. I think more readily.
Speaker 2:More readily. You know everything that's real. You know synthetic and you know. And we see it in the UFC. I know you only watch. I'm not even gonna go there, I was gonna start getting political, but I'm gonna leave it on.
Speaker 1:No, you were gonna be insulting to, you know, 300 million people right now. That's okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you know we gotta give views. Somehow. I only watch combat sports. I only watch combat sports. So a really interesting, unique thing is like when you see a guy like a bow nickel, right, you have no idea how bow nickel is. You never even heard of the guy.
Speaker 2:I have not, right. So bow nickel is a blue chip best wrestling pedigree you can possibly imagine, but a kid who grew up, you know, upper middle class, went to the best wrestling camps, you know, and went to Penn State University and as decorated as a wrestler as you can possibly imagine. But he's fighting fucking rock, eating daggastanis, right, and so technically, if you know, it's like the analogy of you know, you're an alley cat fighting a house cat, right, right, yeah. So the alley cat's gone through a lot of shits. But now here's the issue now, both Nichols fucking them up, right, and he's going to continue to do so, right, so it's that. It's that you know, if you, I'm going to.
Speaker 2:That was the comparison of synthetic adversity versus real adversity, right, I wonder how different it is. Everything synthetic is a little bit, a little bit worse, and everything like that. But I wonder if we could create enough synthetic adversity so that our kids can handle whatever is coming, because life's not easy. No, Life's not easy. No matter how good you do, no matter, you got to be ready for the toughness that it brings.
Speaker 1:And now you know, we know it's funny that you say that, but it's like as time passes and technology improves, I mean a lot of the, the, the purpose or the function of a lot of the technology we use is supposed to make life easier. You know, especially so like when you see, you know post industrial revolution, and you see, like the initial commercials that would run for things like a washing machine, you know was fascinating or a dishwasher, and it was like the time you'll have to spend with your family and friends because you don't have to like go with the fucking washboard and then the clothes line and all that and it's like, no, now you can wash your clothes and you can.
Speaker 1:you know you can dry your clothes and it's all done and bet much better quality in half the time. But really society continues to get more complex and then people suffer. They have harder lives in other ways. You know, like there's a guy that I know you love intensely is a is actually a great lawyer in this town.
Speaker 2:I know exactly who you're talking about. I can't stand that guy. I would love to get him on the podcast. Can we get that guy on the podcast? I?
Speaker 1:think we probably can. I'll ask him Jesus. He's an exceptional lawyer and he's an excellent writer. I don't agree with anything.
Speaker 2:That guy says yeah, period, end of story. So I would love to get that guy on the podcast.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, the guy concentrates on being polarizing. Okay, that's his gig, but he's very good at writing and I'll never forget that he once wrote this article about the challenges of as you get older as a lawyer, and it's that you know there were. I remember there were like three or four things that made life very hard, and one of them is that as you get older, the demands on your time from your family increase. So you know, theoretically or typically, when you're a young lawyer and you start your career, you either are not married or you might not be married, or, if you're married, maybe you don't have kids. So, like your family demands are a lot less. And that coincides with a time in your career where you're less valuable. Right, you don't? You're not billing at $1,000 an hour in your first, your first year at a law school. So what happens is that as time goes by, the family makes greater demands on your time but at the same time, there are greater demands on you financially. Now you have to provide for kids, now you have to.
Speaker 2:You know things like that and people are paying more for your time.
Speaker 1:Right. And so it gets harder because it's like what do you do, you know? Do you spend more time working so you can provide, or do you spend more time with your family, which obviously then takes away from what you can provide?
Speaker 1:So hard balance, you know yeah, I mean that's the whole thing that that's and you know, I think that's been the theme of today's show is that the balance for kids. There's a balance. Like you know, I don't want my kid to suffer disproportionately, but but she has to suffer enough so that she understands what it is Well, the blessings she has Well, and that's why I brought up social media.
Speaker 2:You and I have a very I can't think of many people that have the same understanding of the importance of of a. There's a Cuban word for it, called Tawla.
Speaker 1:Oh it's so great Right Tawla is. I wish there was a direct translation.
Speaker 2:There isn't but the, the, the, the specific translation would be like, like, like.
Speaker 1:Constitution Right no, no, no I know, but it like the, the, the, the actual oh yeah, literal translation would be board board board right, and we don't mean not B O R E D Right, Like actual board board B O B O A R D. So I remember lessons, but hold on, you got to tell them what it means. Tawla means to have.
Speaker 2:Tawla means means, that you can.
Speaker 1:Constitution, right that you can put up with like getting picked on? Yes, you know that you can take it like some kids. You make fun of them and they're like pissed off. They want to go home. Like don't make fun of me, and they get their.
Speaker 2:Their parents expect them to go through life without getting made fun of.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, so in my house my kids can make fun of each other, you know and, and you know I have the referee at sometimes and everything, but I, I allow it no encourage and I'll, yeah, and I'll talk to my daughter you know, in particular, she's the one that usually gets more sensitive. I'm like he's. He's winning your. Yeah, he won Right. The number one rule of ball busting Don't let the enemy know. We're going to write a book about it. We still should.
Speaker 1:I have the rule saved. There was like there's the 48 laws of power which is an exceptional book. I mean that book in the wrong.
Speaker 2:It's a good shitter book.
Speaker 1:It's a good shitter book. In the wrong hands that book is problematic. Yeah, okay, but so we were going to, we were going to write the 48 laws of ball busting, yeah, and I listen, I think there's a, there's a place for it. We need to, we need to get an actual writer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and somebody knows what the fuck they're doing. Throw ideas to them Like we're the ball busters, but he's the brain, and we do it all day.
Speaker 1:So you know it's funny you say that. So yesterday I'm playing golf with Mike, who you know, calville and Calville, by the way, a guy's just an intro. He's, he's he's our professor friend, he's a doctor, he's the guy that's a PhD and he teaches at history. He teaches at the fight the fancy high school, okay. So you know, it's a, it's a big sort, it's great content one day we should we should maybe get him on one, he won't.
Speaker 1:But, um, yeah, but growing up Calville had a debilitating speech impediment, right, okay, Like, oh my God, it was bad. And what's funny is that now he got it obviously perfectly under control. He teaches, he lectures all day, but man, it's so funny because we used to rag on him about that. And so yesterday we're playing golf and you know, we're you got an episode? No, no, we're saying crash things to each other as usual, and one of the guys that we were with is, like new to the group.
Speaker 2:And he's a doctor and he's very nice. And no, no, no, he's a ball buster too.
Speaker 1:But he was like man, I, you know, I don't, I don't want, I don't know these guys, so I don't want to say anything and I was, I'm telling them the story. I'm like, no, he's like we said something to Calville and and he was like is he cool with that? You know, is he going to get upset? I'm like no, dude, you understand how we were growing up. The guy had a serious speech impediment. We'd fuck with him all day. He'd be like. He'd be like hey, hey, hey and, and fucking Michael would be like spit it out. Calville, zero concern about his feelings.
Speaker 2:Right, his feelings, bro. What the fuck were those.
Speaker 1:So. So that's what we mean by Tau'la right, that you got to be able to put up with that, like you know, and, by the way that may, in my view, kid grew up to be a much better man, professor, because of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like not only am I going to beat this shit?
Speaker 1:I'm going to get a job where I got to talk all fucking day. You know what I mean. Like most people are like oh, I got a speech impediment. Like how do I become a fucking a coder? Right, you know, like all, I want to do is sit behind a computer all day and type, like this guy was like no, no, I'm getting ragged on, I got to learn to fucking talk, so but social media right now, suicide for girls is up.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, man Like right but but and? And let me tell you specifically for girls and feminists. Don't worry about, it's not because women are weaker or anything. I relax, let me fucking explain, all right.
Speaker 1:It's because, first of all, how are we even sure they're girls?
Speaker 2:What? Yeah, you're right I signed gender again.
Speaker 1:Thank you for calling me out on that. Yeah, I got. You guys got to help me out with that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna keep on assigning gender. Don't worry, bro, we're going to get you to finish line.
Speaker 1:Even if we have to drag you, we're going to mold you into a politically correct death, right? So so um, I'll teach you to assume yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, fuck with that. Oh, so, so. So the reason why there's their suicide is so high because women are Brutal, like I had one of my, one of my, one of my dear friends, daughters, the other day, and and and in the in my car, cuz I was taking them from point A to point B or whatever, and and and they were talking about like they were making fun of some girl, and I'm like brutal, I'm like listen, guys. I stopped like I'm like listen, you cannot, like you can't be a dick to people just because they got, you know, this is, this particular girl had enormous teeth, right. So, which is very, which is very funny, you know, and again in our in our world.
Speaker 2:You know, she can put down a carrot like you never, you know, but I, you know I'm trying you, you don't want to be a bully, you know that's there's. There's another thing you don't want to. You don't want to raise a bully, you don't want to raise somebody, but you want to raise somebody and and again, this is all about. This is not a parenting podcast. It's more like a what the fuck are we gonna do to fix society problem right? Like society is headed towards the soft, I can't take anything. And if and if this is a, if this is anything is a podcast on, like I guess success.
Speaker 1:I wonder how many negative comments will get on that. I love that because you know that there's this belief out there that that's not True. What's not true? That we're getting softer and and what? The term that the right was using a few years ago Was the pusification of America. Sorry again Anyone that's offended, but that was the term. And then there was this. There's this push. By the way, he's kidding I don't give a fuck of it I. Then somebody's gonna chime in oh their assholes, don't you don't you worry about that.
Speaker 1:So no, but me, you zero, fuck we sit here and we talk about it as if it's assumed, like, of course, the society is getting Soft.
Speaker 2:You know people that don't believe of course no, they're like.
Speaker 1:No, no, we're not. You guys are just fucking idiots. It's like you know your meat heads and it's the end of the era of the meathead. There's nothing wrong with that right.
Speaker 2:so if, if social media, so the reason why specifically girls Suicide is up is because girls are brutal, okay, a, and now it never wish I've been on.
Speaker 1:That would have. That Would have been so amazing.
Speaker 2:So so women? So now that with social media it doesn't turn off when school ends?
Speaker 1:No, man it doesn't stop at 233 30 on the country's on the only time you get off the hook, maybe right a phone right so it's, it's, it is all the way to 11 o'clock at night and everything that.
Speaker 2:So if you do anything Like you're, literally by, by teaching a mental toughness and being able to absorb a Mental beating you and there should be classes on. They're really getting your ass kicked there really and they go in there and just make fun of them. Your teeth are huge and your fucking ears are.
Speaker 1:And you gotta like come back on one. You gotta learn to say thank you.
Speaker 2:Well, you gotta be able to ignore it. So the thing about social media it you know it has to do with the tabla part right like tabla is extremely important. You gotta be able to take the asshole.
Speaker 1:You gotta be able to take and that's why goes back to our comment about the negative commenters.
Speaker 2:Right and those guys think they affect us. That's why they probably stopped. I mean, we guys listen. Please start sending the negative comments again.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I gotta say. My worry is that you guys are completely Scientists stop boxing.
Speaker 2:Should we stop?
Speaker 1:should we say we give a fuck, so they make it like, seem like it hurts I really get upset. When, when someone calls me out of the style, you know, god bless we had it because it was way lower this week, right Like way lower this week.
Speaker 1:Oh, these guys are pretty good. It's like, fuck you, that's not what we Know, but it's funny. You say that about the, about the type of Abuse that that women give to each other, is like the great joke that I mean. I, it wasn't even a joke. I heard it out of Whole Foods. I was in line at Whole Foods and there was this because you only shop at Whole Foods, no, no, no, I'm a public fan.
Speaker 2:What are those shoes? They sell? Their the toms. You were toms, why was it not?
Speaker 1:ever. I would listen if you ever catch me.
Speaker 2:I want to scarves. They sell the toms and scars getting caught dead and toms would be. Actually die fuck.
Speaker 1:God bless, bro, legacy killer. So anyway, but I hear this. This this guy and he's on the phone is clearly on the phone with his wife, you know, and and he's arguing about something. And he hangs up and he looks at his son and the kids there. The kid looks up at him and he says son, let's say something right now. Don't try to understand women. Women understand women. That's why they hate each other, and it would you know, and it's very funny and I say that in front of women and they're like, oh my god, that's so true, that's hysterical.
Speaker 2:You know, brutal man, they're brutal to each other and so you have to. You're almost saving your, your daughter's, life just by teaching them how to be able to take a beating. And, like I said, like in my house, I let my son just Constantly fuck with my daughter, right? Because, you know, if I see her crying, if I see her freaking out, I sit down and I go Okay, so let's talk about this. What did he say? You know, we said that I'm a baby or whatever. Are you a baby? You know? Are you this? Are you that? You know what I'm saying? Like it's, it's, it's a, you know, and you and you teach them how to deal with it and come back because, again, social media, dude, it's a danger, like another thing, our parents didn't have big time right, so you know hold on one second because I'm getting.
Speaker 1:Who is that? Somebody I know.
Speaker 2:Yes, let me see. Is that a picture of the person I know? I don't know that guy? Yes, sir, hold on. We never taken a call during the podcast before I know well, for we should start taking them.
Speaker 1:Hey sir, how are you? It's on my reception desk in my office. I text you this morning. Yep, it's in there waiting for you, oh.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:No, I'm at. I'm in Dural recording a podcast almost done.
Speaker 2:Right, this is gonna be the first podcast we edit.
Speaker 1:No, we don't have to edit. People will be wondering who the fuck was that? Yeah, like I have to answer.
Speaker 2:So, so yeah, with the social media thing, you know it all goes back to. You know we have to prepare these humans. Let's forget about kids. I don't want to seem like this is a parenting podcast, right, but it's. It's more like a how do we prepare these humans to deal with what's going to come in right now, right, which is, you know, social media, ass whoopings and the and the negative comments and everything for the?
Speaker 1:kids. The first group of people who we did the wrong things with are now adults in their fields. Remember we were making fun of one of them. I made the mistake of Suggesting that there was a tweet I even said it was a tweet about a guy whose daughter was coming back from college and she wanted part-time work as a CEO. And we got a big laugh out of it and somebody was like classic fucking boomer right here, yeah and then some other asshole was like Well, it's 2023 and the millennials are no longer in college, so that's you know?
Speaker 1:that's how dumb you are. It's like okay, man, it's a joke, I mean you didn't get it. You didn't understand because you're one of those fucking people. Like you got an ass the email you went to complain to HR right, okay, and so, like you know, like HR is a massive department.
Speaker 1:Now, like you know, like before the company started, hr was like something you had to have because you Know you were getting sophisticated. Now, if you have a fucking nursery and you don't have an HR department, you're dying to get sued and also I know also Surrounding yourself with friends that are gonna bust your balls is also very very important. Of course, like you, just to keep yourself.
Speaker 2:Of course, you know.
Speaker 1:Even with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, right like when he got appointed to, to, to, to freck, which was To meet me with more of a big deal to me because I'm, I'm, I'm in real estate all day and our friendship will finally pay off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like I can't imagine how I'm not doing anything for you.
Speaker 2:And I also said I go by you're still an asshole in my book, so don't get fucking cocky with me.
Speaker 1:You know what.
Speaker 2:I mean, so you bring yourself back and that's the stuff that I, you know, even with dead mothers.
Speaker 1:Huh, even with dead mothers. Yeah, my buddy's mom died and you know, in the chat one of the guys like she died every On the day of and everybody's like, oh man, so sorry, al, I'm like man, I'm so glad I was there to get it one last time.
Speaker 2:You're such a dick I.
Speaker 1:Never say that.
Speaker 2:So you know so yeah, man, I mean you know we, we, you know, I don't know, man, nobody has the book, nobody has. I know there is parenting books, but it's probably just full of a terrible shit yeah right we. That's another thing we should probably do.
Speaker 1:She's like I. It's a New York Times bestseller right, fuck, don't raise.
Speaker 2:Don't raise a pussy. You know would be one of one of the subjects, but so, um, I Don't know anything else. You want to talk about anything else you got in mind?
Speaker 1:No, I mean, look, I think today was good. We got a little bit outside the box, talked a little bit about business, the impact of New Yorkers, right, and people from California and Chicago here in Florida. We talked about you know kind of how to, how to try to make productive members of society. You know you got to have a balance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, and, and you know if we'll leave it, we'll leave it with this. You know what we're really talking about with this is what are, what are the keys to success? Right, like to be a successful part of member of society, to be a successful. You just can't be productive productive member productive. Successful, yeah, no, and I'm leaning more towards successful, because if you're a six, there's just no or very little pussies at the top of the business world, fair to say I mean you don't get there having.
Speaker 1:We mean that in the, not in the literal sense. We mean it in the oh, right, right, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, there is vaginas. Right right, there is vaginas, because you know there's. I'm here to help you be clear?
Speaker 1:I thank you. The ambiguity is negative. Right, so yes there are a few weak minded people.
Speaker 2:You don't get at the top of the business world so if you're, if you're trying to raise a business man or business woman, somebody who's a business person, a business them, they're there. Right A business person right, A business person, the say with me good.
Speaker 2:You know, you don't, you don't get. You don't get to the top of the business world without taking ass whoopings, giving ass whoopings. You know you've got to be able to. You got to be able to take a loss and not freak out. You're right, you got to be able to take extreme pressure extreme pressure.
Speaker 1:That's like that great meme of the iceberg and it's like you see the top success and everything that's under the water All the way in the bottom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we gotta be able to. You gotta be able to handle Like you have to be as productive and even maybe more focused during extreme pressure.
Speaker 1:Oh, let's leave it on that. That's the great one. Oh, you got to hear this.
Speaker 2:When you call it, when you call it, when I call it, oh my God.
Speaker 1:So this guy in the downturn, first of all in the run up things you don't know about, jesus, okay, make us proud of our little go gutter here. So in the run up, this guy was in real estate and he got successfully bought a bunch of properties. Okay, so he had a bunch of investment properties. He had an office the one we're sitting in now he had a house, you name it. He had maybe 10, 12, 15 properties. He bought a fucking airplane. He taught himself how to fly the airplane. He had an office in Texas and in Tampa he'd get in his own plane and fly around Tampa, orlando, gainesville.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he was doing well.
Speaker 1:And then the world ended with the downturn, and when the world ended, man, all of these properties went into foreclosure. And when I tell you that it was, there was a time when, I swear to you, it was 20 foreclosure cases pending at one time. There were so many we couldn't even keep them straight.
Speaker 2:I couldn't keep them straight, well it wasn't only, it was just lots just creditors and everything, yeah everything.
Speaker 1:The whole world falls apart.
Speaker 2:I remember even the IRS showed up one day when the fucking world was falling apart. My front desk goes hey, somebody's here the IRS. I'm like listen man, I'm out of the mood for jokes. I'm not in the mood for jokes.
Speaker 1:She's like I'm not in the joke. She's like no, it's not a joke.
Speaker 2:I'm like listen, man, I'm not fucking around. Like you know, it's who I promised you. The IRS is here. Dude, there's a picture somewhere on my phone. The guy sat right there and I just took a picture like the worst day of my life, yeah yeah, and the world is falling apart and the IRS shows up.
Speaker 1:We used to call them foreclochies, the law said we used to call them foreclochies.
Speaker 1:Again, we just couldn't keep track of them. And so every day in the afternoon we talk about what we were trying to accomplish. And I'll never forget I was driving home and I'm on H Street, I'm right in front of FIU and this guy's telling me to do things in these cases that there is no basis in the law for what he's asking for. Okay, his ideas of how to solve these problems did not exist. And of course I'm fucking yelling at him. I'm like it doesn't fucking work that way.
Speaker 2:We can't do that, et cetera, and so everything he's suggesting by the way, I was in Texas, like I was in Texas, but selling like I don't know huge product-.
Speaker 1:Everything he's suggesting, I'm shooting full of holes. And finally he says okay, bro, you know what? I just want you to know, it's fine. It's fine, you wanna know why? Cause I thrive on negative energy. And I was like oh yeah, well, then you should be running at 110%. Yeah, dude, it was like I know exactly where I was. You're Satan, bro. You're Satan. I fucking hate you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know exactly where I was. I know exactly what was the whole world. I had just had my one of like three panic attacks.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. One guy showed up at his like own home that no longer even had furniture and shit. He was like and looked in through the sliding glass door and this guy, buck naked, got up and beat the fuck out of that guy. Two in the morning, no.
Speaker 2:I chased the guy. I didn't get to beat the fuck out of him, but he was. I was like what the fuck is, what the hell is that guy doing in my backyard? And he was inspecting the house for a foreclosure. So, dude, I listen, man. I don't know if you guys can see, I've always been a big guy. I've been in martial arts my entire life. I've been in a thousand fights.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm the wrong fucking guy. I'm the wrong goddamn.
Speaker 2:I'm angry as hell at life. I'm the wrong guy to be in the backyard at that point. I never, I never forget that. I came out. He saw me. He fucking makes a right. He hits the fence because he has to make a right and then a right to get out of the house. And I remember he hits the fucking fence. Bro, I'm right behind trying to grab him. Dude, he gets in the car. He was a huge pickup truck and I remember I climb on the pickup truck and I'm elbowing the window, trying to break the window to get through to grab him, Because I didn't know he was like. I thought he was somebody trying to break into my house, Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:How did you find out he was an inspector? The police showed up the next day. No just two and two together. He was like no. Detective Ramsey showed up to tell me that Dude. Let me tell you that guy had a tough.
Speaker 2:That guy had a tough situation there because I was going to. I was going to if I were to call him. I'm glad I did it. I'm glad he was faster than me and he got in that car and he was able to close that door.
Speaker 1:He was a little more nimble, he was he was.
Speaker 2:He was way more nimble. But yeah, you know, yeah, that was those are. Those are horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible times. But to give this asshole credit, you know, one of the very few people that that kind of you know stuck with me and and that people wonder why I put up with this guy is because he was there during the absolute he would. He was busting my balls the whole way through. I mean, don't that never stopped? Yeah.
Speaker 1:No matter what, no matter how difficult Bang up job buddy.
Speaker 2:Way to get yourself into all this shit. You know but but but we got out of it and we're doing great, so we're here recording podcast. We're recording podcast under in there, right Under amazing lighting today, by the way, this is the light it's it's.
Speaker 1:it's a little bit. They gave you the blue today, the blue.
Speaker 2:I had the blue that was, it was looking better. The other one's a little bit two in your face. This is this one's good, that one's horrible?
Speaker 1:No yeah, the one where you can see the zits is spectacular.
Speaker 2:Yeah zits from like fucking 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:All right guys, thank you, great episode. See you next week.
