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Anthony Echemendia - On How the Cuban Wrestling and Sports Dynasty Works | RETalkPodcast | Episode 14
Strap yourself in for an enlightening deep-dive with former Cuban wrestler Anthony Echemendia, who now wears the colors of the United States on the wrestling mat. We traverse the unique blend of gymnastics and wrestling that constitutes the Cuban wrestling system, exploring Anthony's journey from his early beginnings in gymnastics at four years old to his transition into wrestling at the tender age of six. Discover the rigors of a young athlete's daily training schedule, and get a glimpse of the cultural differences and pressures that permeate the youth wrestling tournaments in both Cuba and the United States.
Anthony's story takes a dramatic turn as he recounts his perilous journey from Cuba to the United States, where he faced daunting challenges, including incarceration. Yet, even in the face of danger, his unwavering dedication to his dream of wrestling never faltered. We delve into his experiences in adapting to the American collegiate wrestling system at Ohio State, shedding light on the disparities within the Cuban boxing system, and how wrestling against Olympic World Champions from a young age has shaped his wrestling style and strategies.
As this remarkable conversation unfolds, Anthony unravels his experiences that range from the intensity of training in the Cuban National Team to the disparities he witnessed in the dining hall privileges between champions and non-champions. Hear how this young Cuban athlete navigated his way through these challenges, and how his gratitude for the opportunities he's received in the United States seeps through his words. This is much more than a chat about wrestling; it's a vivid narrative of a young athlete's struggle, resilience, and triumph in the face of adversity. Your ears will be glued to every word.
Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon - @retalkpodcast: The Ultimate Real Estate Unveiling! Raw, Real & Revealing insights from industry experts
Dive headfirst into real estate's most electrifying depths with industry legends - Jesus Castanon, Josh Cadillac, and Richard L. Barbara. Why legends? With billion-dollar deals, groundbreaking innovations, and wisdom that's transformed the landscape, they've not just witnessed the game; they've been the game-changers. And if that's not enough, they're joined by a parade of industry-expert guests, spilling secrets and dishing advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
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Jesus Castanon: Visionary CEO of Real Estate EMPIRE Group, transforming property transactions into success stories.
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First and foremost, you guys are probably wondering why we're doing a wrestling podcast today. All right, the story, the story behind this, is I became a huge wrestling fan. I grew up playing basketball. You guys would have told me you know, out of a hundred sports, what sport to pick? As a kid I would have definitely wrestling would have been number 100. I was not a fan of wrestling. That one thing led to the other and my son started wrestling at age four. Initially we started doing jujitsu. My son started wrestling at age four.
Speaker 1:I fell in love with wrestling as a sport. I regretted big time not wrestling as a kid. I think it's a beautiful sport. I think it's everything about it. How difficult it is. I've seen what it does to kids as far as their self-confidence and everything. Also, I'm a very proud Cuban. I came to this country when I was three years old. Actually, my 40th anniversary being in this country was a couple days ago, may 9th, so it's kind of fitting.
Speaker 1:So there was one interview that I saw with Yoel Romero and Joe Rogan in the Joe Rogan show where they talked about and it's something I've always been interested in why is it that Cuba produces the amount of athletes in general Boxers, wrestlers, baseball players it's just a powerhouse of sports. So I've always wondered what it is that produces this type of athlete. Now, obviously, my two favorite sports, or my three favorite sports in reality, are wrestling, boxing and MMA as a whole. So today we're going to have a wrestler, anthony Echimendia, which has a wonderful, wonderful story, and we're going to have a boxer to understand and to explain exactly what it is, that the Cuban system, how it is that the Cuban system produces these types of athletes. So Anthony is, right now, the perfect person to really explain that, because he started as a kid in Cuba wrestling. Actually, you started in gymnastics, correct, anthony? Yeah, you started in gymnastics, switched over to wrestling. He actually left Cuba, defected Cuba. Beautiful story on flow wrestling, which is another reason why I'm doing the podcast.
Speaker 1:I think there's a lot of things that I wanted to hear. So, listen, because of Alexis, which is a friend of mine, I was able to get together with Anthony and if I'm able to ask him these questions, here we are to ask them. So there's a lot of things that I wanted to basically know about the trip over here. So, first thing I want to know, anthony, is when is it that? What age did you start wrestling and what age do usually kids in Cuba start wrestling?
Speaker 2:Well, I started wrestling when I was six years old, but almost all the kids in Cuba, they started wrestling at the youngest age, like when they're six years old. Seven years old, that's the right age, to you know, to start wrestling. Right, because I. My first four was gymnastics.
Speaker 1:So you started what gymnastics, at what age?
Speaker 2:I started gymnastics when I was four years old by the influence of my mom, interesting Because she was a gymnast.
Speaker 1:Your mom was a gymnast in Cuba. Okay, Okay, go ahead. I didn't know that. So now I heard that kids are not really allowed to start wrestling wrestling until like around eight years old, nine years old, in Cuba. Is that accurate? Is that true?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, like in Cuba. We got like a different system. Yeah, we got a different system In Cuba. Usa and Cuba got way different system. Like in Cuba, when you start wrestling, they teach you gymnastics first.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I heard.
Speaker 2:And yeah, gymnastics, how to move from the mat. And when you start getting the skills, the good skills, you're getting stronger. They teach you the wrestling techniques. So they they don't teach you the wrestling techniques right away.
Speaker 1:Until when they get you strong At what? Age do they start teaching you wrestling?
Speaker 2:Like, if you start wrestling a four years old that you're going to spend one year getting stronger. They're going to teach you how to move from the mat gymnastics and then, when you spend a year in wrestling, they start teaching you the wrestling techniques, wrestling move, and you're going to start learning about wrestling. But first they're going to teach you how to move, how you know they're going to get you stronger and then you're going to start learning about wrestling.
Speaker 1:Okay, so basically they make you an athlete first and then they make you a wrestler, basically, yeah, Right, so at what age? So you start wrestling? From what I understand, from what I'm hearing and these stories usually come from, a lot of them come from Alexi's when we're there, because his son and mine they wrestle together. So when we're on the side talking, I'm always asking him questions and everything. So, from what I understand, there's different provinces. There's different provinces, right, so everybody wrestles for their province, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So they're. It's like a state here in USA, but we call it different in Cuba, right, because it's a small country.
Speaker 1:Okay, so is there tournaments? How does the tournament work? So, if you're under, okay, so first let me say so. At what age does it become serious? At eight, nine years old, do they become actual wrestlers, wrestlers where you start actually wrestling. Is it eight, nine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you turn nine years old, you start competing at the national level and at the state level first, and if you qualify to wrestle in the national level, you go to the national tournament and represent your state.
Speaker 1:So that's one thing I'm really curious about, because here in the United States there's literally a tournament. If you want to go to a tournament every single weekend, you could go to a tournament every single weekend, and what we have is this thing called track wrestling. So track wrestling well, you could say, all right, well, I'm going to be in Ohio this weekend, I'm going to go and find a tournament in Ohio, and then I could go and see how many kids are registered in this tournament, how many kids in what age and what weight, and I could go ahead and I could know exactly who my son's going to wrestle in another state at any moment and literally every single weekend. There's different nationals that have different levels of importance, but there's I don't know, 20, 30 national tournaments that they call national tournaments every year. So how do the tournaments work? How many times does a kid let's say the kid's eight years old how many times does a kid wrestle? And then, are you representing your academy or are you representing your province?
Speaker 2:You're representing your province.
Speaker 1:Your province.
Speaker 2:Like, if you're going to compete at the national level, you're going to represent your province, you're going to represent your province. Yeah, if you're going to wrestle at the province level, you're going to represent your hometown, Like I was born in Kauai 1, it's a small city, like I don't know how to say it in English like small town. I was representing my hometown, competing at the province level.
Speaker 1:So at the province level, you're representing your hometown, you're going and everybody's wearing their shirts and everybody's representing that, their actual and what is the best, where do the best wrestlers, kid youth wrestlers, come out of? Now in Cuba, like what?
Speaker 2:province what province, I think, I don't know. Like Santiago, cuba has a lot of good guys always. And Havana, pina del Rio. Like Pina del Rio, they don't give you, like they don't win, a lot of national tournaments, tournaments, but I don't know. They have a system that when a guy goes to the national team, that guy for sure is going to win world and Olympic titles for sure.
Speaker 1:They don't have a lot of athletes in the national team.
Speaker 2:But when a guy from Pina del Rio goes to the national team, oh my God, those guys win world and Olympic titles for sure.
Speaker 1:And what do you think the difference is? Is it the coaching? Is it a cultural thing? What do you think? What do you think it is?
Speaker 2:I think it's the base because, like in Cuba in general we got like the same system, but other province they like they try to get their athletes stronger at the youngest age, like they start lifting weights when they're 10, I don't know, 12 years old, and I don't think that's right. Yeah, so I haven't lifted weight in my entire life.
Speaker 1:That's another thing that I've which is very. If anybody has been on Anthony's Instagram, you should go. I mean, I actually saw a picture of you when you were like 12 years old or 13 years old man. You look like a man. That's crazy. And you're saying you never lifted weights ever, never.
Speaker 2:I don't know. My strength is different, like when I'm wrestling. People say, I don't know how you're so strong, but I go to the weight room and 120 pounds can lift more than me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's weird. I mean, maybe it's the technique, how you lift, and maybe it's my technique. My wrestling technique is different.
Speaker 1:And what. So you're just doing this based on push-ups, pull-ups, squats. What are gymnastics? What is it? Because here's another thing I know what a weight room looks like here in the United States, okay, and I'm sure you've been to like Platinum Fitness and you've been to LA Fitness and all those and I've also seen Aside from being born in Cuba, I've gone back several times.
Speaker 1:I'm very interested in the athletics and I've always been interested in how again, how the Cuban system works with the athletes. I know that they don't have the best facilities. Actually, my uncle was the diving coach for many years for Cuba and I would always ask him the stories and how things work there and everything. But I've seen the facilities there and they're not the best facilities in the world. I would probably say that almost every country in the world has better training facilities as far as equipment is concerned, but yet Cuba is always up there in the medals, specifically in combat sports and in baseball. So what is it that you did in particular? How do you get that strong if you don't have the weights and you don't have the system?
Speaker 2:I mean you can have the best weight room in the world. You can have everything. You know what I mean. You need to love what you're doing. And I mean Cubans got I don't know. We think different. We think in a different way. We're very close with our families and we're always fighting to get better, better, richer, gravel family. That's how, that's why Cubans are good, that's why we were champions. We were born being champions. I mean, like we got a different system and I don't know. I would love to share with you guys the Cuban system, but you know they put weird names to every single exercise that you do.
Speaker 1:But is it, but is it? It would consist of pull-ups and push-ups, it's all body weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all body weight.
Speaker 1:You're not, because you know I've also seen that. You know you have these weight rooms, though they'll have concrete, you know, instead of a dumbbell they'll have, you know, concrete they'll make a dumbbell. But it's not necessarily that You're saying that all your strength came from body weight in particular.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all my strength came from body weight. Yeah, right, yeah, we got a lot of Like. We have to get used to what we have. Like we don't have the best weight room but we have different stuff. Like, if we don't have the I don't know the place, we build our own place and we do what we can do.
Speaker 1:Right. So Right now, in this quarantine, it doesn't affect you at all.
Speaker 2:It doesn't affect me, I got a lot on my.
Speaker 4:Right, you don't need a gym at all Right, I don't need it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got a lot of ways to work out a lot of different ways, and I keep myself ready the whole time.
Speaker 1:And you guys. So let's go back to the province thing. So, because my brain's going ina million different directions. So you start the youth program, you start with the gymnastics, you start with all the calisthenics and to prepare you as an athlete. Then, around nine years old, when is it that you guys start going to the Elida? How do you say Elida, the sports?
Speaker 2:school. Yeah, like the sports school. The sports school, hey, the guy, the sports school.
Speaker 1:So E-I-D-E correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, e-i-d-e. Yeah, which stands for. We can call it a sports school, like that's what it means In Spanish. That's what it means E-day means sports school.
Speaker 1:So the sports school. When is it? How young do people start living? Do they send the people? So it's like a boarding school for everybody here in the United States. It's basically you start, they pick you out. So you start winning provinces, you start winning the tournaments in the provinces. They pick you out. They say, all right, well, this guy's going to be good, let's send them to the sports school, to Elida correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, for example, if you go to the state tournament here in USA and the top three guys in every weight class, they recruit all the top three guys in every weight class and they send it to the sports school. How many Like if you won? Okay, if you won.
Speaker 1:Okay, and that's at nine, nine or ten.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nine years old. I entered the sports school when I was nine years old, when you were nine years old, okay, so I?
Speaker 1:now.
Speaker 2:And I had yeah, I had to leave there. Stay there, Right, I was nine years old.
Speaker 1:That's what I was going at, because I also think that a lot of it like my son's nine years old right now. If I had to say, all right, I'm going to send them to a place and you're only seeing your parents once a week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you only see your parents in the weekends. In the weekends, yeah, and then Sunday, and then one day you have to go back to the sports school. And it depends how far you are too, because if you're really far from Elida, then you got to take buses and you got to take trains and you got to take oh no, if you leave too far from the sports school, you have to you go home every 15 days, because every 15 days they like, they send buses to every single city where the kids live.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, interesting, right. So again, I have a son, alexis has a son that wrestles to, so I it's hard for me to say, alright, you know, hey, I'm gonna send them, I'm gonna send them over to school. I'm sure it's a very difficult decision for the parents. I'm sure it's extremely difficult for a kid to be like alright, well, now I'm, now I'm gonna be put in a, in a place with a bunch of athletes, right? So the ages from there, they, you live together with kids that are what?
Speaker 2:from nine years old to, like what, 16 years old or any age, any age from nine years old to, like 20, 20 years old, because, like, after, after you Graduated high school, like I mean, you know, we got a different system in Cuba, I don't know. We don't call high school, yeah, we call Fred, fred University, I'm right. So when you graduate from Fred University, I'm and if you want to keep doing your sport, you can go to the, to the academic.
Speaker 4:Allah Right.
Speaker 2:I'm a little bit of a, so I was sure to look at him so so you go to the.
Speaker 1:Right, you go to the specific sports academy of whatever sport that is, that you're gonna that, you're gonna that, you're gonna pick, you're gonna be a wrestler or boxer and you're gonna go to that specific academy.
Speaker 2:That is. That is a lot of different names, like from nine years old to 22 years old, and it's hard, man, think about your, your nine years old son, living with a bunch of big kids around, yeah, living a bunch of maniacs, guys, you know I'm going to take a shower. Your nine years old and you're gonna have to take a shower with, with the 18 years old kid Right and it's hard, and here and here.
Speaker 1:In in the in the United States there's, you know, the whole big thing on bullying and and you know if the kids gonna get a bully and they're gonna pick on the kid. If somebody's gonna take away, take your lunch money or take your milk at school or whatever, I'm sure if you're living in a sports school You're gonna see that for sure in Cuba.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're gonna have to learn how to defend yourself.
Speaker 1:You have to learn how to defend yourself, not only wrestle, but you gotta learn how to fight.
Speaker 2:I Like I, you know, I couldn't enjoy when I was a kid. I was when I was when I started my my sport career. My dad, you know I have a big brother and my big brother was a good wrestler but he couldn't get it. He couldn't get to the national team. And when I told my dad, a, I want to be a wrestler like you, it's, my dad was a wrestler. Okay, and I want to be a wrestler like you and like my, like my big brother or my dad, you know, my, my dad know about rest, yeah, okay, yeah, we're gonna get you to the high level.
Speaker 1:Right, he knew that you had what it takes and he's like all right, well, listen, you know I'm doing this for my son, I know it's gonna be the best thing for him and he makes that decision, but it's. It's not an easy decision. You're still young and and you don't see it through his eyes yet. You see it through your eyes. But as a father, it's a difficult, difficult decision and and and and obviously in your case it's the right decision. I'm sure in some cases it might not be. Some kids, you know, don't make it. I'm sure not every kid makes it. A lot of kids want to come home.
Speaker 2:No man, when one like when you're a nine years old kid and you go to the school, you know a lot of a lot of kids quit, yeah, like they don't stay at this poor school. It's hard, it's hard. Well, you live in this poor school, like the bullying, all that kind of stuff. You're gonna see that and your parents are not, that your parents are not there to help you, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta figure it out and I also think that I think Russia does it the same way. Correct, I'm sure Russia. I think Russia does the same system because I think the Cuban system, from what I understand again, I'm I'm in love with wrestling, but I'm new to the whole wrestling thing. From what, for the stories that I'm hearing, the the everything about sports of Cuba really came from Russia. Is that is that is that everything?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we got it. We got there. Like I say, we got a Cuban system, but we don't.
Speaker 1:We got the old Russian system right, the old school Russian system, because I last time I went to Cuba, I stayed in La Marina, hemingway right, and there was like 30 Russian boxers there. There was a whole, the whole Russian team was there staying. I guess there were these, either a tournament or something like that. So, yeah, it's. You know when you look at Russia, yeah, and, and you know when you look at the Olympics, you know Russia even has, you know, a big part in Cuba winning, winning these tournaments. Because, again, we are, it is the rush. How often does Russia go to Cuba? Now a?
Speaker 2:Lot. I don't, I have no idea, I don't think they go a lot.
Speaker 1:But you guys go over there. I think they rush the Cuba goes to Russia a lot.
Speaker 2:We don't have money to travel and go to every tournament in the world. Yeah, we say in Cuba, cuba, save them. Wanted to the big tournament? Yeah, world championships, olympic, yeah, what a cop. But we don't go to everywhere, are we, you know? Now, that's another reason I had to leave Cuba. Yeah, yeah. I would love to represent Cuba. Man, I love you, I love my Cuban people. Yeah, we're a big family. People, sometimes people oh, you left Cuba. You know you didn't like you, or not?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's not the case I wish I could be.
Speaker 2:I could be. You are now with my man.
Speaker 1:I'm looking for a better Way by the way, your tattoo that you got is genius. That's a best tattoo I've ever seen.
Speaker 3:It's though it's a United States, yeah, yeah yeah, best tattoo ever, man, that is.
Speaker 1:That is genius, that is a genius idea because it's both man, it's both your. Your listen, I'm Cuban American and and I'm definitely proud of that, so it's, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing, okay, so let's get back to okay, so you're, you're nine years old, when, okay, you're nine years old, you, how many tournaments do you start going to? Because, again, you know, I think the kids here go to too many tournaments. I think it's just too much and you got to be careful with it. Like with my son. Right now, I'm like man, I can't do every single tournament. My son might, my son's, nine years old might have 400 matches.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and that's and that's right, and that's me being Conservative, me saying, well, I can't go to every single tournament. There might be kids that have 700 matches. You know now, when we go to tournaments here I mean he's, he's been again at eight, at eight years old, six years old there's been brackets that he had 30 kids in it. You know what I'm saying. So those are the things that that's what I want to see. The difference that. So in Cuba, when you go to one of these tournaments, how many kids do you have in the back? How many tournaments are you doing a year as a nine-year-old Right, and and how many kids do you usually see in the bracket? How does that work?
Speaker 2:Now, when you're a nine-year-old kid, I mean you, you're gonna go in here, you're gonna Participate in four tournaments total four tournaments a year total four tournaments total. Wow, yeah, maybe you you can do the coaches do a couple duals, right, like a Problems against another problem. Yeah, but you're gonna do just two matches, you know right. So you're not gonna be tournament, like here in USA, and you're gonna see 50 kids, 100 kids, yeah how many kids?
Speaker 1:how many kids you have? It far go like a hundred and something 130 hundred 128 kids. That was the first thing you noticed, right, yeah, so alright. So, and how many kids in the bracket and in and one of those turns? So it's four tournaments a year, and how many kids in the bracket?
Speaker 2:like think about it. We we got 16 Travins in Cuba, and so just one kid can represent the province. Okay, just one kid, so 16 kids in your bracket. So you're looking at format and sometimes, sometimes they don't take your weight loss so right. Sometimes you you're gonna see 14, 13 kids in your bracket.
Speaker 1:So you're looking at yeah right, so that makes three matches.
Speaker 2:Three matches, you know if you win them all, if you win them all well, I mean, like here in USA they have to, they have to make like four, six, six groups. Yeah, in Cuba they make that two groups. Okay, so it's a small bracket, right. So you're gonna do like, if you have six kids in your back and you're in your group, you're gonna do, you're gonna wrestle five matches, okay, then you're gonna wrestle against the second. I Don't know. Like we have a weird System, is it single?
Speaker 1:single elimination or double elimination, because here what one of all double elimination Okay yeah, double because my son competes in jujitsu two, and one of the things that I hate about jujitsu is single elimination, right. So if you go there there was one time we went to um, flew to California, flew to California, loses his first match, that's it. They're going home, you know. So what I like about wrestling is that, like in his case, we went to Tulsa one time, his first tournament, he, he was nervous, he lost his first match but he was able all the way to go, all the way to true second. So it allows you to really, you know you could lose one match and still and still make it. So that's one thing I definitely like about wrestling over over jujitsu.
Speaker 1:So so you're looking at, at nine years old, you're doing four tournaments, maybe three or four matches. So what's four times four? Again, I'm a good amount. 16, right? No, what's four times four? Damn, I just blanked out on that. Is it 16? All right? So you're looking at 16, 20 matches in a year.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I thought all I like total maybe 25, 30. But I mean like I I disagree when, like when, when they make all the all those big tournaments for little kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah because you're gonna have time to compete a lot. I Think that we should you know, I don't know, I'm not a big, I don't know, maybe I don't know too much about wrestling, but that's it. This is my point. That's how I see. That's how I think you can get better, yeah, wrestling. I think that when you start wrestling, you should care about how how you got you're gonna prepare yourself, are how you can get stronger, are you gonna how you get you can get faster, how you can get better skills in wrestling, and then, when you're 10, 11 or 12 years old, start competing a lot right.
Speaker 2:But when you're eight years old, nine, ten years old, you don't need to To be wrestling around the country, around the country, every single weekend. How you're not gonna have time to prepare, norman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with you, it's, it's really. You know, I'm new to the sport as a dad, I'm new to the sport period, I'm new to the sport as a dad, and and and again, I'm just thinking out loud here, you know. So, when you first start, you hear, though, this tournament and that tournament. And then you know, in this case, and in my case, you know my, my son's, you know he's pretty damn good, he starts winning. And then you're like, well, let's go to, this tournament wins that one. And then by the time you know you've traveled the whole damn country, you know, and, but now I'm starting, you know, and now I'm like, all right, well, listen, man, you know I gotta go to Tulsa, I got, maybe I gotta go to super 32, you know I gotta go to, you know, maybe the, the Freestyle and Greco nationals, and you start picking, and that's where I'm at as a dad right now. You know you start picking the ones that you know I'm back. You know, really, basically to what you're saying, we got to be a lot more selective with the tournament. That's me, that's me, I, I've made a decision to not start going, not go to every single damn tournament. You know, and again, that's part of the growth as a dad and and an understanding, and and again hearing it from you and and the way they do it over there. Obviously it makes sense, you know, and obviously it works. So All right.
Speaker 1:So when you're you're in school, you're nine years old, we talked about the tournaments, so you wake up in the morning. What time do you wake up in the morning at nine years old? You're by yourself. You're not seeing your family, you're only seeing them on the weekends. You wake up in the morning. What happens? What do you do first?
Speaker 2:Oh, we wake up at like at 6 am in the morning or five something, 545 in the, in the school we go to, we have breakfast and and then, like that is two different times, like the Two you're gonna read you're gonna practice for two years and then they switch. You're gonna go, you're going to school in the morning and practicing on the Two years practicing in the morning, and then to years Going to classes in the morning and practicing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you're, but you're wrestling. It's wrestling in the morning and wrestling in the afternoon, or is it a straight to conditioning and then wrestling? What is it exactly?
Speaker 2:Well, my coach works crazy. The normal system is like if you have to practice in the morning, you're going to practice in the morning. You finish practice before 12, go take a shower, get ready, go to school. We don't go to school. We don't spend a long time in school, so we go to school from 12 to 5 hours. 12 to 5, okay, yeah, and then after, after.
Speaker 1:So sorry, I'm starting to rub Hold on. So you wake up at six o'clock in the morning, you wrestle, you train for how much? From 6 am you eat breakfast. You start training what at seven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you start training at like seven. You're gonna maybe sometimes you're gonna have two, two practice in the morning. So you're gonna start practicing at seven the conditioning section and then the wrestling section. Okay, conditioning, you're gonna practice at seven, you finish at 8, 30, and then you start your second practice at 10.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you finish before 12.
Speaker 2:You go half lunch, take a shower, get ready for school, go to school, to school for five hours and then after school go back to the wrestling room train.
Speaker 1:So what time? So what time? So you finish school at five. You used to train in the afternoon, let's say at six o'clock. So what time? Yeah, you start like 5 30 after school and then so finish school, finish school, go change and go straight to practice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like six. You finish at 6, 30, seven sometimes 6, 37.
Speaker 1:Then you eat, go to sleep.
Speaker 2:Then you eat and go to sleep, or go to the dorms and go out with your friends, whatever you want, see, and here's the thing.
Speaker 1:So I understand that, that that kids now there's, there is a lot of tournaments, right. But again, I'm thinking as a dad, right. So one thing that I try to monitor with my kid is how much practice, how much time do we spend practicing right? What? How much is too much time? Training, you know? So it seems like the Cuban system is is a little bit different than the in the American system where, all right, we, there's more tournaments than there is practice. In your case there's. We're looking at what eight hours of practice a day, six hours of practice a day.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know, you're gonna yeah, maybe not, not every day, like in it. We don't. We don't practice that we do. We do just one practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, so Wednesday's a like right.
Speaker 2:Wednesday's the hardest practice in a week. It's on Wednesday, but it's just one practice, right, like two hours practice by the hardest.
Speaker 1:A lot of live wrestling.
Speaker 2:A lot of yeah, a lot of live wrestling. So in a warm up, get ready. You know, like we don't compete a lot in Cuba but we like we wrestle against each other a lot, right getting ready for the tournaments.
Speaker 1:Right. So so in a, in a in a two hour practice, you might see um, I don't know, one hour of live, one hour of technique, is that fair to say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like. Uh, we do, like we warm up for 20 minutes, then we do some technique drilling and then after a drill, we wrestle.
Speaker 1:I wrestle live for an hour.
Speaker 2:For a million partners wrestling for from this position. So it's situational.
Speaker 1:It's really situational, situational drilling. So it's situational, live, not just live on the feet and go wrestle. It's. It's a lot of situational. You've got the leg and start from the leg, basically, yeah Right, and work your way there, right. So interesting, interesting, all right, so, um, all right. So you're nine years old. At what time? So at what age do you start competing in the junior level, like at the actual national, where you start taking, when the team starts going out and competing against against other other other countries?
Speaker 2:at the junior level or senior junior junior. So junior level from 16 to 18, no, from from 15 years old to 18 years old. Right, you're a junior. You're a junior in here in USA. You from 16 to 20 years old. You're a unit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they have the cadet. I always get confused with this. I wish I had a couple of my buddies here to help me out with. I think it's cadet and and uh yeah, cadet and senior. Yeah, yeah, Um, so so you. So you call. So you go to the province, you compete in the province, you compete in the nationals, you win in the nationals in your weight class and you get selected to represent your team and go, start going to other countries. What's the first country you went to to compete?
Speaker 2:I what I want to compete yeah.
Speaker 1:What's the first?
Speaker 2:country I want. I won the national tournament six times and I put a represent Cuba and I didn't have the money. I qualified for a lot of tournaments and they didn't have the money to to go to anywhere.
Speaker 1:So so you're saying that you work I?
Speaker 2:couldn't get the opportunity to represent Cuba at all. I went to Guatemala before the junior Panams for a training camp and then Now I was, when I, when I left my team right.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that you, so you, you were the top wrestler in your weight class, your age division, etc. When six times six, six time national champ and you and you were enabled, never able, to go out and and and and, go to these different Countries and compete and represent your country, not so all the hard work. Really, basically, in your mind, you know and I understand obviously it's like a so what's the point of doing this if I'm work, doing all this hard work and I can't go represent my country?
Speaker 2:basically, Look, sometimes some people ask me because I left one match. I Last, I last one, much in seven years.
Speaker 2:Wow competing at the national, at the national level. I, when I was, I won all the top, all the national tournaments. When I was cadet at the cadet level and my first junior year I lost against a Panam champion and then the next year I beat him 10-0 I mean With Santa. And then I beat the guy who beat me when I am my first junior year. I beat him and he was coming really, really strong. Yeah, he won six national tournaments. No, he won five national tournaments and then he didn't want to rest anymore and I kept resting. I won my last junior year and then I went to compete at the senior level.
Speaker 2:Because people are confused here about my age, because in Cuba we got a different system. In USA you wrestle at the junior level until you're 20 years old. In Cuba it doesn't work like that. In Cuba you wrestle at the junior level until you're 18 years old and after 18, you have to wrestle at the senior level. So when I would say after, when I turn 18 years old, I won my last junior national title and I want to wrestle at the senior level. And I won the senior national tournament Right.
Speaker 1:So, if you would have stayed? If you would have stayed, you would have probably gone represented in the Olympics, right. In what year I would have been this year, pretty much, yeah, this year Right. And your dream now is start at Ohio State, start wrestling and then the next Olympics represent the United States, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my dream, that's my greatest dream, and I want to bring my family to USA now. I want them to enjoy this country too. This is the.
Speaker 1:Don't make me cry, bro. Don't make me cry, bro. Come on, try not to cry.
Speaker 4:You're a beautiful country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, yeah, so all right. So you start now. Here's the interesting part. Now. So you say to yourself, when did you start thinking, hey, I can't do this anymore, I want to wrestle at the highest level. When did you did you start? When you went to Guatemala? Did you did that thought come into your head when you were in Guatemala? Or were you already thinking about it when you were in Cuba, like, hey, man, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2:I didn't think about it, because when I was in Cuba like my family is really close and I never, never thought about living my family and living my country, my team. Because I don't know, I love Cuba, I love my Cuban people. I mean, like when you have a friend in Cuba, that friend is like your brother. You can tell because you're a Cuban. You can tell because you're a Cuban too. And so when I went to Guatemala, I love wrestling, that's my first priority here In my, in my life, my first priority is wrestling.
Speaker 2:So I went to Guatemala and I saw that Guatemala had better conditions than Cuba and I was like how is this possible? Like we were one of the best countries in the world. We got one of the best, the best systems, I don't know. We don't have conditions, but we still win the tournaments, yeah. And then that was when I started thinking about leaving my team. Yeah, I wanted to get more opportunities and I wanted to shine, I wanted to be, I wanted for people to get to know who I am. You know, because in Cuba you don't get the opportunity. You don't get the opportunity.
Speaker 1:I mean you got to be careful what you say, how you say it. Maybe even this interview here would be very, very difficult if you, if we were in Cuba, I would have to be careful what questions I ask and how I ask it. And you got to be careful what you say if anything becomes negative, and and listen, and I know it, and I understand it, and and and it's, it's, you know, it's something that that people don't. You know, even though I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't raised there. You know the stories and then the and just the feelings and the reason why we came to this country. Listen, alexis, I came to this country on a, on a on a boat, right. I came to this country in the Mariel boat lift, right. But my boat was like a 50 foot shrimp boat.
Speaker 1:Alexis, which is the other face that you see here, came to this country on like a 20 foot boat with like 25 people. You know. So, you know it's. It's one of those things that that you don't realize how bad. You know. You, you, you people want to leave. Imagine wanting to leave a place so bad that you jump in, like the story. Alexis has a crazy, crazy, crazy story. How you know they, they made the boat. They made the boat out of wood. Okay, so just imagine that because I have a boat, I have a fishing boat, and I'm scared to go on it. And it's a professional boat with a, with a beautiful engine, and it's a brand new boat and I don't go out too deep because I get scared. So imagine making a boat out of wood. Um, the engine was a engine was a Russian tractor.
Speaker 3:It's a Russian tractor. The heat will die. Yeah, that's what we used to work in the field, and everything, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, so so you're making you make a boat out of wood, okay, um, then you get a tractor, a Russian tractor, which makes it a little bit more interesting. Um and uh, you start telling people, hey, who wants to come? And all of a sudden you went from. You went from Cuba to Ecuador, right?
Speaker 3:No, we went from Cuba to Honduras, Honduras right.
Speaker 1:So imagine jumping on a boat, 24, 24 people on a 20 foot boat, um four nights at sea, four nights right Four, no, ten nights.
Speaker 3:Ten nights at sea, ten nights at sea, ten nights because that, that engine, we, we, we, we kept the engine we put new.
Speaker 1:uh, no, no, no, you refurbish the engine, you refurbish the engine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, the engine started to lose oil because, like a screw or something wasn't tight enough and they started to lose oil, right?
Speaker 1:so imagine being in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the ocean at night and the screw on the engine and the screw on the engine.
Speaker 2:People think of my story. My story is crazy, Doesn't it really?
Speaker 1:There's crazy stories out there. There's crazy stories. So all of a sudden he's ten, ten nights at sea. There's one guy that they were rotating. This is a story that that that Alexis was telling me the other day at the gym. Um, there was one guy that his job was to take water out of the boat.
Speaker 3:Right, no, no, everybody has to do that. Oh they had to rotate. We put someone to yeah, we rotate Every day. Someone had to take out the water out of the boat. You know we had two, two drivers, um, but was very I never, I never be in a position like that I, so I never would be in that position like you are. You know if, in any moment, you can lose your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and did you have a really good GPS? Did you have a really good GPS? Alexis, we have a compass. I knew the answer to that no, no, no GPS.
Speaker 3:Compass, no GPS. You like a? How do?
Speaker 1:you call the when I'm at a compass, yeah, compass. When I have a compass, a compass, that's all you had at night at night. A compass in the middle of the of the night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, imagine we, there is in a moment, we, we lose the, the engine, you know, and we put a sail for the sail, um, just with the, the windy, and you have to to keep driving Right.
Speaker 1:So when you lost the, when you lost the engine, you guys had made a sail right and then so, so you, you basically made it to, to, to land, with, with, the.
Speaker 3:No, we already have it, yeah, we already have it. We put it, we have it, we already have it. The, the, the sail, just in case, you know, just in case something happened, we have to use that, we use it, we have to do it, you know. But then we, we fought for Taiman, taiman Brak and Grand Taiman, the three islands. Um, in Grand, in Taiman Brak, they, they gave us food, they gave us fuel, um medicine, and we keep going. That was the only. The only chart that I saw in the whole trip was in oh yeah, you saw one shark yeah, yeah, one shark.
Speaker 3:The other people said that they saw a laugh when it was. I was asleep, they.
Speaker 1:They said uh, first of all, I don't even know how you fell asleep in that situation.
Speaker 3:So one of the most, um, you know, uh, when we passed Grand came Taiman, they told us, hey, don't keep going, because a storm is coming. Um, you're gonna lose your life because it's a bigger storm is coming. But if you, if you to you go to the Grand Taiman, and you put your your feet in, grand came out. Uh, you know, like Grand, you go to Cuba and we say, okay, we first, we first die, then go back to Cuba, and we keep, and we keep going. Um, when you do, the night was falling, you start to feel the wind is harder and harder and harder. Um, man, the waves with the waves were around eight or seven meters.
Speaker 3:Oh, my god, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So you're in a wooden boat, you're in a wooden boat, 20 something people on a boat, um, you're with a sail because your engine is failing and all of a sudden there's you know, 10 foot waves, that's called it and you guys are just, I mean, and one and one of the things that that, um, because you needed to land in Honduras, just like, just like Anthony needed to go to Mexico. You needed, you needed to land in Mexico because the once you land there, then you could, you could, you could, you could ask for asylum, correct that? That's the reason why why Anthony had to go to Mexico and why you had to be in Honduras, right?
Speaker 3:No, honduras. We went to Honduras because Honduras doesn't have like the uh, they don't are monitoring the, the post. You know they don't have like for the patrol, or you know it was easy.
Speaker 1:It was easy, easy to get into trade with Cuba.
Speaker 3:They don't have trade with Cuba to send people back to Cuba. You know they don't have that, those trade. That's how the country happened with Cuba. Then we we arrived to Honduras to a beach called Miami, imagine. And we arrived to Honduras, it was a place called a Miami Beach, by Miss Pines, by a Miami. Wow, that was, was hard, was very hard, you know. Um, then, when you, when you are right to Honduras, have to pass all the the things that are going to pass, yeah, yeah and and, and I remember yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember you telling me the story, which is similar to to what uh, what, anthony, what I, what I saw in the in the flow wrestling, um, in the flow wrestling documentary, which is excellent, I mean amazing props to uh, to the flow wrestling guys. It was a beautiful, beautiful job there, um, but you, you start imagine going through all of that and then you know, understand that at any point there your life is in danger. You know, um, I know that that when Alexis landed on the beach, you know, you, you see some people on the beach, you don't know those guys are going to kill you or not. And in your particular case, anthony, you, you are getting transported. It's two different dangers, um, you know, the danger with with Alexis is the. You know, if you made it in the ocean I'm, how many Cubans I mean there's thousands and thousands of Cubans that that are that died at sea, you know, and how many have died on the trip. So people don't. That's another thing that I wanted to to to get you know and part of the documentary that I saw, and just the story, because, again, being Cuban, you hear the stories. How many people have died at sea, how many people they saw their, their friends, being eaten by a shark, how many people, after a couple days, or five or 10 days in the ocean, they go crazy and they jump on the water. You know, and in your case you know, anthony, like you know, there was one thing in the flow wrestling that you said look, you know, if I don't have the money to pay, I'm gonna die. And, and you got to understand, in a lot of those countries they don't give a shit who you are. I mean, it doesn't matter. Uh, I'm sure there's no wrestling fans in the jungle. You know what I mean, that I'm not calling it. I'm not calling it, they don't care. You know how many takedowns you had in your last tournament or anything like that. You, you don't pay the money, you're going to die. And again, I gotta think as a father, because at the end of the day, you're a man, you know. But but you know, you, you, you are pretty damn close to being a kid at that point and being in jail, and being the two months in jail, and, and one thing again that you mentioned in the documentary you know the, the danger, the clothes that you guys were wearing, and you know. And one thing I cannot. You know, I laughed because I was like, oh shit, that's tough, hey, amanda, oh yeah. So I just told them, right now we're gonna, we're gonna, we're having Ovedion, because you know, I want, I want to talk to him was when I get to the part of the what everybody living together and and and the sports Academy, and how they mix all the different sports together, all the combat sports. I definitely want to talk about that and I want to talk about his journey too. So we're including him in here. So I'm gonna finish up with Anthony. Hopefully Anthony can stay with us, but I understand if he has to leave. So so, anthony, the you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're in that trip, you're, you're, you're in that jail. How, how in danger were you in that jail? You know, because you know, again, a lot of people die in the jungle and a lot of people die in jail. So when you're, when you're in there, I mean at least you could defend yourself. Somebody comes at you. You could, you know, you could double leg them and slam, slam them on their head, but at the end of the day, you're in a very, very dangerous place. You know, it's a truth. You know people. Don't call people, don't consider wrestling a martial art. But it's a martial art, you know so. How endangered did you feel inside the jail. How bad was that.
Speaker 2:Well, think about it. I was a 18 years old being in jail around. You know all that, all the old people 35, 40 years old, and I was a youngest kid in the in jail. Yeah, I was the youngest guy in jail, and you?
Speaker 1:know, I got the uniform that says, hey, I'm a nice guy because the yeah, they have the uniform right. So so for those of you didn't watch the floor wrestling documentary, the, you know, if you're wearing blue clothes, that means you're not dangerous. If you were wearing orange clothes, that means you're there for killing somebody or murdering somebody. So what and? But you're all in the same place, correct? You're on the same place, so you're in the same place, but there, though, that's the nice guy over there right.
Speaker 2:So the only reason because I want to explain it what? The only reason I went to jail was because the Tension Center for immigrants was closed, because there was a lot of people already in detention center, so they didn't have capacity for more, for more people. That's why I went to jail. But as soon as I passed my my, my interview, they sent me back to detention center. When I was in detention center I was feeling like like home, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was easy.
Speaker 2:That was easy. I was like if I was at the sports school, yeah right, cubans, you, everything was open, you could see, you could talk to your friend next to you, you could see a lot of beds next to we shoulder, you know, I mean, and it was easy by in jail was crazy man, you could, how?
Speaker 1:many, so how long were you so you were in jail for in jail? Jail for two months.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two months, and then one month and the detention center.
Speaker 1:So how endangered did you feel there? I mean, did they were you? Were you worried all day Like shit? You know, like I know you mentioned in the, in the, in the, when you were with the guys that were transporting you, you were like dude. I didn't even sleep because I don't know what the hell's gonna happen. I don't know who these guys are, I don't know if they're gonna kill me. So how did that, how did that work?
Speaker 2:Well, when I was, when they were driving me to the jail, I was going all the charcoal man, my, my legs, my, my like a murder.
Speaker 1:Like a murder. Like a murder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like if I killed it somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah the only thing, the only difference between you and a murderer is just the blue shirt or the blue clothes that you're wearing. That's it. Everything else, the same food, the same place, the same cells, the same everything. You the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I was feeling in dangerous the whole time because you know the environment, you know you feel in bed in danger the whole time, like you know you, you, you, you're in jail because you're trying to get into the USA, but you see other people. Oh, that guy is here because he was selling drugs and the other guy over there he's here because he killed three guys. Yeah, you know you're like, oh my god, why did I do what I did?
Speaker 1:But you know now, I know this for yeah, yeah, yeah, but at that point, at that point you don't know it's worth it. At that point you don't know it's worth it. That point You're like what the hell am I doing here? Did I do?
Speaker 2:the right decision. Yeah, yeah, at that point is crazy. I have a friend. I have a friend that passed through jail and he, he couldn't, he couldn't handle it, he asked for the deportation.
Speaker 1:Oh, he said I want to go back to Cuba's like, yeah, I'm not doing this, oh yeah because it's not everybody man you have to.
Speaker 2:You got a half big balls to pass through jail and pen three, four.
Speaker 1:So wait a second. So wait a second, so you could have. So you were there for two months, but at any point you could have been like, hey, I tap out, send me back, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like if you give up, man, you say, no, I can't handle anymore. Oh, wow see.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I didn't know that. So you had the choice to be like hey, just send me back. And you're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:That's their work right they get paid. They get paid and, like they, they're trying the whole time. They're trying to send you back to Cuba.
Speaker 1:Oh, so they want to make it as difficult as possible so that you could quit and go back to Cuba.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like they go to yourself and they say, hey, we want to have an interview with you. So you go to the interview room and they start talking to you man, you don't have to be here, that you could be spending this time right now with your family in Cuba, but you decide to come here. Don't make it more difficult for you.
Speaker 1:Really you're not gonna be able to get out.
Speaker 2:They tell you that you're not gonna be able to get out. You're gonna spend a long time here, bob, and you're gonna be.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be with your family in about three days, so Sign this letter and that's it, and you're gonna go home right and you're there with your family. He was a wrestler.
Speaker 2:I have a friend who was a wrestler who wrestled for the national team. He defected his team when I, when he was in Mexico, he passed through jail and he couldn't, he couldn't support. Yeah he couldn't stay, he couldn't stand and he asked for the. He asked for their letter Right. Sign the letter in three days. In three days.
Speaker 1:Back to Cuba and that's it right. To the jail to, though when you go to Cuba you're in jail, but at least you're in jail in Cuba, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, sometimes it's not. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how it works, but I, man, that guy lost His future. What is he gonna do? He was a great wrestler, yeah, in Cuba. He wanted to. He wanted a better future. About. What is he gonna do now? Yeah, because he's not gonna be able to represent Cuba anymore. Yeah, and what is he gonna do? He's not gonna be able to go to University and graduate. Yeah, because he defected a Cuban team Trying to come to USA. Man, what's?
Speaker 1:crazy. What is so when you get out, you get out through, they finally let you out, you go to the detention center and you get, and you get to the United States. What is? Because I see, I've been there. I've picked a lot of people from the airport in Cuba, I mean in Miami. I picked people from the airport and showed them Miami, right, so I've been there. Like the first time a Cuban sees the United States, you know, I See the, the, the look when they go to the mall for the first time, when they see the streets Coneo, galim, pios, a do, everything is so clean and and I've seen the, the Shock, that being in the United States. So what? What's the, what is it that you saw? The biggest thing that you're like, wow, really like, this is so different. What did you see in the United States that just shocked you, that freaked you out?
Speaker 2:I mean like everything is so clean. They're like you know. They said man, united States, great, yeah, I don't know. I bend the knee what. I was sleeping at the detention center. I was sleeping and Somebody called me out hey, anthony, shaman dia, you gotta. You got a meeting with their, with your attorney. So I want to talk to my attorney because you know, to get out of the tension center you have to send, your family have to send letters. I don't know if you know about it, but you have to send letter in your family needs to send that to claim you, they have to claim you.
Speaker 4:I can get a good record I'm at it right. Yeah, somebody has to say alright, I'm in charge.
Speaker 1:I'm responsible for for Anthony. If anything happens, I'm responsible. I'm signing off that I'm responsible for Anthony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right. So my family did all that stuff and you know, I was just waiting for To see what was gonna happen. And when they called me out, hey, they, the attorney, want to talk to you about some stuff. I don't know, I want to To talk to my attorney. My attorney told me hey, we're gonna let you go, man, I'm glad to let you know. And that when my attorney told me that I've been to me, Right, so I cried of course.
Speaker 1:Of course I dream, true, you know I mean. That's crazy. So, so, so, so. Well then. So you go from your words to the tension center. What, what, what, uh, what country is it in the United States?
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the United States Okay.
Speaker 1:So then you, the first time you go out is is in what? In what state? Where were you when, when you were in?
Speaker 2:the Washington New Mexico. I mean you might see guys. Not, it's not a.
Speaker 1:Oh shit. Oh, you hung up a mistake. You know how to get them back. Oh, so you were a national champion, Alexi? How many times?
Speaker 4:No, I was a major and a solo B, and you were a kid.
Speaker 1:I was a national champion four times.
Speaker 4:And when did you start? I started when I was eight. I was eight or nine years old. I was a hobby, but I started when I was nine, nine years later.
Speaker 1:Let's finish with Anthony. I don't know what happened. You pressed the button.
Speaker 2:Oh, I pressed the airpast.
Speaker 1:So when you got to the United States, tell me about high school. Tell me about the difference between when you get to high school there. What's the difference between high school and Cuba and the United States?
Speaker 2:We have a different system in Cuba. In Cuba, if you're a good athlete, as we say in Cuba, they pass you by.
Speaker 1:They passed you by too.
Speaker 2:They pass you by that means let me translate.
Speaker 1:they pass you by means, they make it easy for you, and that happens in the United States too. If you're a good athlete, you get the easiest classes. They make sure you pass. It happens in the United States too.
Speaker 2:The difference here in the US is that I'm alone in this country. I want to go to high school because I want to do big things here. I want to graduate from college, get my college degree, because I know that's really important here in the.
Speaker 2:United States. I decided to go to high school. I saw that it's way different here. Everything is organized. You need to take this class, I want to take this one. I think this one is easier. You need to get these courses. You need to have good grades to compete. That's another thing. That's why I couldn't compete when I started my high school season, because I didn't have good grades. I was coming from Cuba. I think I'm smart, because to learn different languages in less than two years is crazy.
Speaker 1:If you were in Miami right now, you would still not be speaking English. In Miami you don't have to speak English. I know people who have lived here 30 or 40 years and don't speak English. In Miami you can live the whole time. You're over there and you have no choice. You have to speak English.
Speaker 2:I didn't have a choice. The difference was that in Cuba, if you're the good wrestler of the team, you're going to compete for sure Because the team needs you. But here in the USA they don't care. If you don't have good grades, you're not going to compete. They force you to have good grades, get focused in school, but also they want you to do well in wrestling. So it's difficult. That's why I don't know he was hard for me, because I was the Nino Lindo. How do I?
Speaker 1:translate Nino Lindo. It's like the Superst, the Golden Child, the Golden Child. They make things easy for you. So you come over here and, by the way, I'm telling you right now that you still had it easier than the regular kids. I'm sure they put you with the nicest teachers. I played basketball and I was nowhere near as good as you are in wrestling. I had four PE classes my senior year. Out of six classes, four of them were PE. So they make it easier for you. But why did you pick Ohio State?
Speaker 2:A lot of people ask me. That's a good question and a lot of people ask me the same question. So I went to Iowa State. I committed to Iowa State. I didn't commit. That wasn't legal. That wasn't the national letter of intent, so I didn't sign anything. That was just a paper with some words. Some people were talking about me. I went to Iowa State and now he wants to do the other official visits. But that wasn't real. I'm alone in this country so I don't know how the college things works. So think about coming from Cuba, seeing the Cuban wrestling room and then going to high school, and the high schools here got really good wrestling rooms but I think better than Cuba. When I went to college I saw the difference.
Speaker 1:You saw the level. You mean the level of wrestling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the level of wrestling and the difference between college wrestling room and high school wrestling room and Cuba wrestling room, because I saw you saw the Cuban Olympic room, you saw the high school room and you saw the college room.
Speaker 2:When I went to that college, to Iowa State, I thought it was the best place in the United States and I told my coaches because I didn't know that I could go to five official visits. I didn't know that. I didn't know anything about college folk style. I think I thought I was going to wrestle freestyle when I went to college, my first tournament. I was throwing people and the referee was like hey stop.
Speaker 1:What are you?
Speaker 2:doing Stalling. I was like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:And that's one of the questions what do you like about folk style in comparison to freestyle? Or have you fallen in love with folk style a little bit, or are you still, like man, I'm a freestyle guy. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not going to fall in love with folk style. That's not going to happen. To be honest, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:How did I know you were going to answer that I?
Speaker 2:love freestyle, but I want to get my college degree. I want to have the opportunity. I want to keep that door open. To be able to wrestle in college you have to wrestle folk style and I love to wrestle in front of 15,000 people, 10,000 people, I have a feeling you're going to figure it out and you're going to like it a little bit more. You're going to be very good at it.
Speaker 2:To answer your question, I decided to go to Ohio State because, man, when I went to Ohio State, they showed me everything Like if you graduate from Ohio State, you're going to get a really good degree, like Ohio State, nation is really big and you're going to get a lot of opportunities, good jobs, because I'm not thinking just about wrestling. I want to graduate, I want to get a good job. After wrestling I'm not going to be able to rest my whole life. That's why I went to Ohio State, because they have a good academic and they have a good wrestling program and the last Olympic champion for USA was from Ohio State, so Kyle's 90. That's another reason they're doing the good things. That's why I went to Ohio State.
Speaker 1:And what's the hardest thing for you for the adjustment with folk style and freestyle? Is it the top, bottom position, the referee position? What is it that you're like?
Speaker 3:shit man Top bottom.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite part and again, I'm not a wrestler and everything but the guy who's falling in love with it and everything like that. The top bottom to me is the art of the folk style.
Speaker 1:Man, I see my son and drilling it and the details, and I've seen that it wins matches. It's the way you score. And again, man, I'm either the best guy to ask about it or the worst guy to ask about it Because, again, I'm not a wrestler wrestler, so I'm looking at it from the outside. You know what I mean. So sometimes my opinion is like you know, it's refreshing. And sometimes you're like look, this guy's an idiot, don't listen to this guy.
Speaker 2:You know he doesn't know wrestling. If you know how to wrestle top, bottom and folk style, it's really important. You can be losing a match for like 10 points different.
Speaker 1:Then get out and reverse it.
Speaker 2:No, if you're a killer, if you're a killer on top, it doesn't matter if you're losing by 10 points. If you're a killer on top, nobody can stop your techniques. You're gonna win. So I have to get better on top and bottom. What I mean. I don't care about top.
Speaker 1:You feel good about top right?
Speaker 2:No, I don't care about top because I think if I get in that position I'm not gonna wrestle, I'm just gonna leave the guy and wrestle my feet, because I feel really comfortable wrestling on my feet. But I have to get better on bottom how to skate. I need to get better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because usually in freestyle you're stalling, you're flattening out, you're stalling and then you get up.
Speaker 1:So that's different. So I'm sure that's gonna be an adjustment. Ovedita, hi, okay, yeah. So I want to get to the part where, in a perfect world, I wanted to get you guys at the end here and I wanted to ask about what I think makes a Cuban wrestler maybe like a Russian wrestler and a little bit different.
Speaker 1:Listen, I love the American system and listen, it's amazing. And again, I'm seeing my son grow up and everything like that. It's a beautiful thing. I just like to see what works, what makes these different countries work and what makes these different countries different and the stories that I've heard. What's different here in the United States is that my kid goes to school, goes to a night school, then goes to practice. You guys had to live in a place with all the combat athletes in one house. Basically, that has to be crazy and that I think has a large part to do with the mentality of the Cuban athlete. That has to be insane, like I'm thinking, dropping my son off in a place and then you got the boxers. So I'm saying, do you understand that? Yes, I do. Okay, so I've heard stories, you know. So I'm sure you guys are fighting on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:Right, no, you can't ask us, buddy, like between boxers, wrestlers, the guys who do judo and all the combat sports, Bro, we're always fighting Taekwondo karate.
Speaker 1:Taekwondo karate.
Speaker 2:And we're always fighting to decide who's the boss. All right, the strongest, this is the strongest sport.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what sport wins? So what sport wins? All right, who's the toughest guys?
Speaker 3:That's one thing I want to.
Speaker 2:That's why I wanted both of you here. We don't fight, we don't. He can't tell you like we respect each other a lot.
Speaker 1:The boxers and the wrestlers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't fight.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:He can't tell you like we don't fight, like we respect each other, because we know Right, because he knows that wrestlers are dangerous. The wrestlers also know that the boxers are dangerous. So we keep the space, you know.
Speaker 1:Right right right, I rather.
Speaker 4:You know, you know, and what I'm saying is that you know, when you fight, you know you're going to lose. You're going to lose, you're going to disappear. Right, You'll get caught and you'll be shot and you'll be taken.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is that I said it was that the wrestlers and the wrestlers are waiting, because the wrestlers know that the boxers, we know that the boxers are a dangerous sport, but you also know that the fight is a dangerous sport.
Speaker 4:That's why we respect each other. That's what I want to say. You know it all depends. You know it depends on many things, but hey, that's never been put to the test, because there are many things. But hey, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, ufc, well, ufc, it also tests that, but it also depends on the boxer and depends on the, of course, and that's also the question that we always ask ourselves who wants to fight in a UFC?
Speaker 4:and the boxers do the same thing. It all depends. You know, it's like everything you know.
Speaker 3:That type of fight, jesus, where you see yourself more is at the level of AD, which is more children, you know At the level of AD because they don't think much about it to release their hands, but when they start to grow up they're in the E for the national team, and that's what I'm saying because I know they're a family.
Speaker 3:Okay, so let me. But when they're in the A, they say and they look like bad fighters, they're going to use their mouth to cover their mouth. Okay so For a girlfriend, or? I'm going to translate that?
Speaker 1:So you know what he's saying. Is that in the A there? What? What age is the A there?
Speaker 2:About 20 years or so, because you go to the gym too, right, so I'll go to the gym.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, you know, 18, 20 years old, but there's more or less what happens is that in my time, in my time, the A there was up to the up to the 16, 17 years old, 15, 16 years old. From there they went to the gym, but that's what they changed. They were already dead.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's what I'm saying now. That's more.
Speaker 1:Right. So what he's saying is no but the body.
Speaker 2:The body went to the gym more or less. I think I was there more or less.
Speaker 4:I was there longer. No, I was. I was like you, you know 14 years old. You're free out there.
Speaker 2:With a maho and sido maho and sido by.
Speaker 1:Right. So what he's saying is look, you know, when you're in the A there, it's usually a kid. Then they send you to the Espa, which is the, I guess, the more senior level of the sports academy. Dime Alexi.
Speaker 3:The Espa, they went to the Espa National Team. You see, every sport in Cuba has Espa. In Havana, cuba the capital, where every sport has a facility center where they train boxer, wrestler, judo, track and field, volleyball, basketball, everybody In Havana. They call it Espa Nacional.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when you're an outstanding athlete, they send you to the Espa. So you go to the Espa. You have been, you won like three national titles. You can go to the Espa it's like the national team for juniors, and after the ESCA you can go to the national team for seniors. Right, all right.
Speaker 3:So Anthony, I would like to ask you how was for you being a kid? You arrived at the Cuba National Team at age of 16. And I know that in Cuba boxing team, wrestling team, are the most I can see dangerous places because the how is the mood for the zoo?
Speaker 1:The environment.
Speaker 3:The environment is there because wrestler, boxer, they fighting for status in the team. You know you get better food, you get better room with AC, maybe internet, if you are the best guy, if you go to win Panang, if you go to win gold medal in the world champion or whatever in the Olympics. But for a kid at 16 years old, I arrived with all those monsters already men, olympic champion, world champion, panang champion, they don't care if you have 16 years old, they're going to go to pass over you. I would, for you, deal, be dealing every day fighting, wrestling with those guys like Bonnet, calabaza, etc.
Speaker 2:I went to the national team when I was 16 years old and I had to deal with all those guys I had to wrestle. I was 16 years old and I was wrestling against 35 years old.
Speaker 1:Like who Give us names, like who were you wrestling on a regular basis?
Speaker 2:I was wrestling against the world champion Calabaza, multiple times world medalist, panang champion. I was wrestling against all those guys and I was 16 years old. So the age when you're over 16, it doesn't matter, like because in Cuba you're going to have to wrestle against. If you're 16 and you want to wrestle at the senior level, you're going to have to wrestle against Olympic world champions. So that's not an excuse for me, because when I got to this country, a lot of people complaining about my age. I think I was 19 years old. Okay, if I'm wrestling against you and you're 18, I'm just one year older than you.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, in Cuba you're doing 5 years, 10 years. You don't see what I?
Speaker 2:yeah, you don't see what I passed through, because when I was in Cuba, I was 16 years old, in the national team wrestling against 35, 37, 38, 25, any age. And they don't take it easy on you, they go just as hard or harder, they want to keep their spot Right so and they don't care.
Speaker 1:What they don't want to lose to is a kid. You know they want to make sure.
Speaker 2:That's another thing that they don't see, like here in USA is different. You can there is a lot of RTCs like regional training centers here in USA, but in Cuba it's not like that. Like if you're a top guy in the country, you go to just one place the national team, right. So all the best wrestlers in the nation are training together and that's like a war, you see, okay, I want to keep my spot. I'm the first guy.
Speaker 1:Who was the guy who was the hardest on you? Who was the guy who was the biggest dick?
Speaker 2:Who was the guy that was that was just mean Jolly Bonnet man. When I got to the national team I was Jolly Bonnet's wakeback Right and I have to end like. But when I turned 18 years old, before I defected my defect Cuba, I beat him up, I beat him.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And I was 18 years old.
Speaker 1:Right Not a lot of people know. That right Not a lot of people know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, not a lot of people know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interesting. Now I already one of the things that I want to ask how does it work with the food? Because I, from what I've heard I heard it in the Joe Rogan interview and that's one of the things that I wanted to talk more about. What if you win? You go to another place that has better food, right. So if you're a champion, you go to a whole different section that has better food. So you want to go to a completely different place that takes the best food, the whole thing. Tell me a little bit about that. Tell me how does that work?
Speaker 4:At least I don't know how it works. You know in the fight, but in both places that I was in the National League, I decided that on the kind of protest, the four of us, the all of us theimalists, fight for one thing, and it Chiang Tri was decided it passed, passed it, passed it, passed it, passed it, passed it, passed it. Okay, okay, right, so it was more specific. So what he's saying is that it's just not really.
Speaker 1:You have more food, as much as that. You know, in one place they're cooking for like a hundred people and in another place they're cooking for, like you know, the small group of champions, and this food is more specific, you know, and it's and it's and it's better food, anthony, don't say that. So explain a little bit about that a little bit in English. The, the how does that work with, with with the food thing? Cause that, that, to me, amazes me, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were talking about. Yeah, you were right. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the same thing between wrestling and boxing is like the same thing. If you, if you have, like, if you go to the world championships and you win a medal, so you immediately go, you immediately pass, you're part of the of the different I don't know how to say it like the different, right.
Speaker 1:The different dining room, the different dining hall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the different dining, yeah, so like the deep in in wrestling is way different, cause the the normal one for like the, the one for everybody has, like the food is gross, to be honest, is it is it.
Speaker 1:What's better? What's better the jail food or the food in the in the sports center?
Speaker 2:It's almost the same thing, to be honest, but like the food for the, for the champions, it's really good.
Speaker 1:It's really really good, it's like the it's like the.
Speaker 2:It's like the buffet. It's like a buffet In the Serro Pelado, in the Serro Pelado.
Speaker 1:Vario de los Puegos, but Jueri is laughing.
Speaker 2:No Vario de los Puegos. Like, if you go to Cerro Pulado, you for the, the dinner room for the champions. They can pick whatever they want. They have different choices, they have different meats, they have different fruits to pick. They can eat whatever they want, but you're the champion, you deserve it. If you want to go there, you need to fight for it. You want to. You want to go there. You want to eat where all the champions are eating? Okay, when the the world, the world championships that's the stimulation in Cuba Right, they're not. Okay that maybe they're going to give you a little bit more money. Like, if you were getting paid $40 and if you win the world championships, you're going to get paid $100, like $60 more, right?
Speaker 1:Ovedi, and now you're a professional there. You're a professional already, you're a professional boxer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So from August 31st I started my career.
Speaker 1:So you just became pro August 31st right.
Speaker 4:Yes, august 31st was my first fight after I started my career as a professional and how many fights do you have?
Speaker 1:How many do you?
Speaker 4:have. I have 135.
Speaker 1:135. See, so that's. That's because I've always heard that the Cuban boxers have like 400, 500 amateur fights. You know and it goes back to what I was talking to, anthony, about you know like how many amateur boxing I mean wrestling matches the kids here have, you know. So it's a little bit different. I think in wrestling they do a little bit less, but from what every Cuban boxer that I know of here, alexi, when they get here they usually have 400, 500 fights. Yeah but those bodies are different.
Speaker 3:Because those bodies came, he left Cuba with 20 years old. And Osvaldo. Osvaldo won the Junior World Championship in Russia 2016, or World Championship and he was big like the best athlete in that tournament, 2016. And then he won Cuban national championship senior and after that he left the island and he went to Mexico with just 20 years old. He don't have all that background like other Cuban boxer, like Rigondo Lara Gamboa, that they were Olympic champion, world champion. They have in Cuba more than 300, 400 fights.
Speaker 1:I'm still on the internet, so it became very young Okay.
Speaker 2:Did you mention Osvaldo was a Junior World Championship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really did.
Speaker 1:With who did you win the World Championship? With who did you compete in the championships?
Speaker 4:I played with a Polish team, a Polish team. So who are the best?
Speaker 1:boxing team in the Cuban world. Cuban, what I fought, what they were in that moment In general, in general, well, now we are in the same place.
Speaker 4:Good point you know, but in this case for me, what was best for me was, you know, the United States had a good team. The United States had a good team. Russia of course they were in their zone, right. They were good too, they were in Russia.
Speaker 3:The event was in Russia. Yes, in St.
Speaker 4:Petersburg. You know it was there next to the stadium where they did the World Championship. You know there was what. They were, not the team. You know there were people, there were many people, who were stuck in the middle of the train. You know, because of that, because of that, yes, there were people who were an example 56 kg were very strong. Right For you to have the gold medal, you had to fight six, six fights. You know that's in the Akko Matau, that wow In a weekend.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no it was. If I remember correctly, we arrived in Russia on November 16th and we left on November 26th. That's how it was about 10 days, because we had a lot of people Interesting. You know, the competition in Cuba would be like a week, but not in the US. Yes, it was, but it was a week, but not in the US. And now 168. 168, perfect. Yeah, perfect, that was excellent.
Speaker 3:Ovarie. Ovarie is a typical case because Ovarie is the second fighter who, with only two fights, gives him an opportunity to fight for a world title. The first fighter was Vasile Machenko, who fought for a world title in his first fight in the US. Turn it down, perfect, perfect, perfect. What's going on of that layer of debauchers of that stable of that company? Pivici Maxxon, that is the company that has more debauchers right now in the world professional, and he is there and he is in a division almost in the 18th book where he is one of the best division right now, where he is. Canelo Alvarez, where Taylor Plan, david Benavidez is, and Elmar Charlo. There are many debauchers in that weight and many of these debauchers are managed by the same people that represent them. That is, these fights are fights that can really be given and will be given in the future. Of course, barisolo has been here for 22 years, yeah.
Speaker 3:He is a guy who trains with extraordinary passion. Where are you living now? Where are you living? In Trenta? Where?
Speaker 4:are you living now? Where are you living now? Here In Minnesota, in Minneapolis, in Minnesota?
Speaker 3:Right, we send him there so he can learn English, so he can get it out of the way you know. Oh, I see.
Speaker 1:We are from the US.
Speaker 2:Hey, but he should talk about. He should talk about like when we were in the military in Cuba. Oh yes, you can ask him our fights. Who won all the fights? Well, we used to fight against each other and he couldn't beat me, never. He couldn't.
Speaker 1:That's one of his greatest dreams.
Speaker 2:He couldn't beat me.
Speaker 4:It's like 20 kilos. I understand this. I understand Papi.
Speaker 2:Papi.
Speaker 1:It's okay, we'll fight Papi.
Speaker 4:You can't let your hand go out like you wanted, Papi. No, Okay, so you said sorry, Thank you.
Speaker 3:Papi, you can't let your hand go out like you wanted, papi, no.
Speaker 4:Okay, so you said sorry. Thank you, Papi. No, this is so good. No, but Anthony, you know my brother, you know my brother understands.
Speaker 1:No, there's no sense.
Speaker 4:It's when I was time to show off my tactics.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm not ready or things to help so far. I went for him just like that. It's a lot easier for me to understand that he's really in the future. Did you think of MMA?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking about it.
Speaker 4:No, no, the American, the American. So Anthony is crazy. The Mexican, he's like hey, what's up? Man? He's like sorry, I was going to say something, all right so that okay.
Speaker 1:so what he's saying? Is that Anthony's crazy, yeah, yeah yeah, and since Mexico and since Mexico he's been talking about. He's been talking about going into MMA and, from what I'm hearing, you used to box already, anthony. You know how to box already from before from the military.
Speaker 2:Well, he was teaching me how to you know how to use my hands. He was teaching me, but I'm not that good at boxing. I want to learn and you know I love to fight. When I was at the sports school, I used to fight every day. I think it's something I don't know.
Speaker 3:I like it. I'm talking about his relationship with Henry.
Speaker 1:Zahulu.
Speaker 2:No, I just I, I wrestle, I wrestle. Angel Zahulu, oh, Angel Zahulu, yeah, Angel Zahulu, the brother, the brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Zahulu's brother. I wrestle him, but you know, I don't, I don't want to talk about it because he's retired.
Speaker 1:Right right.
Speaker 2:And you know what I'm not going to win anything, I'm not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2:I don't like that. I mean. No, he was fine and I wrestle him and he's a great wrestler. I have so much respect for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey and uh. So MMA is possible for you, Possible for both of you. Mma.
Speaker 2:It's. Uh, I think it's possible for me, and I have been tagging already with what's the name of the guy. Like Joel Romero. Like Joel Romero.
Speaker 1:Malki or Abraham.
Speaker 3:Malki Kawa.
Speaker 1:Malki Kawa or Abraham Kawa.
Speaker 2:And I have been tagging to Captain America, okay, the guy who coached Henry Seguro, okay, and I have been tagging to all those guys and I think I'm interested, man, I want to do it, yeah because that's one of the things that I was saying, because I know boxing, boxing.
Speaker 1:You know you'll start making money now. You'll start making money now, but wrestling right. The real avenue for wrestlers right now is really MMA. When, you see what uh.
Speaker 3:Daniel.
Speaker 1:Cormier, what you see with these, with these, uh, what these wrestlers are are are making right now in the UFC, and and you can see that MMA fighters they have to for, for, for, make big, big money.
Speaker 3:They have to do boxing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because he never saw 100 million. Yeah, you know before, before he, before he fought Floyd, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think to be able to win, uh, ufc titles, you, you need to know a little bit about all the combats. Floyd, okay, I'm a good wrestler. No, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:No, no, that's not what I'm saying. Give me a smile, get out, give me a smile.
Speaker 1:Give me a smile.
Speaker 3:Give me a smile. Great, yes, his ex politicians every week. Nunca lo hubiera hecho en MMA, pero lo hizo en una noche peleando con Floyd.
Speaker 1:Bueno, la MMA está subiendo. Mma es getting better.
Speaker 3:En Chile hay getting better, pero el voceo sigue arriba. ¿sabes En lo que es el pago como tal? Pero los salarios de la gente de MMA, que es altísimo. ¿sabes, Comparado a una persona como normal, lo que gana a un atleta ahora mismo, este fin de semana, con el fregusto gana un 500 mil dólares, medio millón de dólares.
Speaker 1:Alright, bueno, guys, I've taken up enough of your time. Gracias por el tiempo. Ya estaba como ustedes, no quiero quedarle más tiempo, it's been amazing.
Speaker 1:It's been amazing. I'm very happy that you guys are here in the United States. I'm very happy that you guys are representing the United States. Like I say, I'm Cuban, but I'm Cuban American. I'm very proud to be American and I'm very proud to have you guys here in the United States. I'm very happy for you guys to have the opportunities that you have. I'm very happy for you guys to enjoy what I've enjoyed in the United States and all the success in the world. And you guys got me here, man. You come to Miami. You got me here, Count with me, Cuenten conmigo, and a lot of success, man. You guys have my phone number. I'll send it to you. And awesome, Good luck with everything Alright. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Thank you, man. Thank you for all the information. Okay, dale, guys. Gracias mamá.
Speaker 1:Gracias bro, Gracias a ustedes.
