Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon | RETalkPodcast
The Ultimate Real Estate Unveiling! Raw, Real & Revealing insights from industry experts
Dive headfirst into real estate's most electrifying depths with industry legends - Jesus Castanon, Josh Cadillac, and Richard L. Barbara. Why legends? With billion-dollar deals, groundbreaking innovations, and wisdom that's transformed the landscape, they've not just witnessed the game; they've been the game-changers. And if that's not enough, they're joined by a parade of industry-expert guests, spilling secrets and dishing advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
Expect RAW, REAL strategies that shook the market, REVEALING insights, and timely takes on today's market, coupled with actionable advice.
This isn't your typical real estate chitchat. This is RETalkPodcast - where the titans and top minds of the industry unite. Dive in, and prepare to have your real estate perceptions rocked!
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The Great Pandemic Debate: Safety or Suppression? | RETalkPodcast | Episode 12
Welcome to another episode of Real Estate Talk, where we navigate the complex intersections of business, real estate, and law. In today's world, it's become crucial to comprehend the shifting sands of the US Constitution and how it plays out as we battle the pandemic. With states rebelling against stay-at-home orders, we examine how business owners like a Texas hair salon owner, as well as industry magnates like Elon Musk, are exercising their rights and pushing back against crippling shutdowns. We also discuss the Wisconsin Supreme Court's decision against the extension of the shelter order, raising thought-provoking questions about the balance between public safety and personal freedom.
As we dig deeper, we take a critical look at the government's police powers. We discuss how the Constitution and its amendments are being tested during this crisis, with businesses caught in the crossfire. With data leading the way, we explore the potential outcomes - another shutdown or the lifting of restrictions – and the wider implications for society. Touching on the harsh realities of economic recessions and depressions, we throw light on the underreported increase in suicides, domestic violence, and child maltreatment.
Taking a hard look at the hospitality industry, we debate the challenging task of maintaining safety standards in restaurants, especially with the 50% capacity rule. Further, we explore the heated controversy surrounding mask-wearing – a symbol of scientific safety for some and a sign of economic suppression for others. We ask, are we becoming a germaphobic society or is this the new normal? Lastly, we draw parallels with times gone by, comparing our current struggles to those faced by previous generations. Stay tuned for an enlightening discussion on how we, like the soldiers in Normandy, navigate uncharted territory to face unprecedented danger.
Real Estate Talk Podcast with Jesus Castanon - @retalkpodcast: The Ultimate Real Estate Unveiling! Raw, Real & Revealing insights from industry experts
Dive headfirst into real estate's most electrifying depths with industry legends - Jesus Castanon, Josh Cadillac, and Richard L. Barbara. Why legends? With billion-dollar deals, groundbreaking innovations, and wisdom that's transformed the landscape, they've not just witnessed the game; they've been the game-changers. And if that's not enough, they're joined by a parade of industry-expert guests, spilling secrets and dishing advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
Expect RAW, REAL strategies that shook the market, REVEALING insights, and timely takes on today's market, coupled with actionable advice.
This isn't your typical real estate chitchat. This is RETalkPodcast - where the titans and top minds of the industry unite. Dive in, and prepare to have your real estate perceptions rocked!
Meet The Legends:
Jesus Castanon: Visionary CEO of Real Estate EMPIRE Group, transforming property transactions into success stories.
Josh Cadillac: Renowned real estate coach, national speaker, and author; revolutionizing the art of 'closing for life.'
Richard L. Barbara, Esq.: Florida's legal luminary, pioneering change and setting the gold standard in real estate advocacy.
All right, guys, what episode is this? They're like we're up there already. 12 or 13. No, 12 for sure, 13. Well, yeah, it could be 12 or could be 13. I don't know, we'll find out either. 12 or 13 guys, all right. So, um, I tell you what one of my favorite oh yeah, welcome to real estate talk, real estate podcasts. Yeah, I always got to remember to say that my name. There we go.
Speaker 2:I'm a little tired guys.
Speaker 1:I haven't slept. I haven't slept well. I didn't sleep well last night. Um, so, yeah, what? What are my? Our favorite podcast that we had? Because, um, it's kind of like we we did it almost at the beginning of the of the Corona virus thing right, where we had Richard on um, just when this shit started hitting the fan and and we kind of went through like different scenarios that that could happen and and, uh, why they would happen and how they would happen. And man and Richard, richard and I are in a, are in a in a group chat there. That's that's uh, I mean, I'm everybody's like five years old on it, you know, or at least we act five years old on it.
Speaker 1:But, um, one of the things we do is bombard each other with with, uh, with news articles, of everything that comes in. So, man, little by little, all the stuff that we talked about, every single thing about business owners, you know, kind of fighting back and opening up anyway, about states, kind of fighting back. You know we had that in Wisconsin and in and in Texas we had that salon, um, you know, owner, that, that, that, uh that went out and said you know what? I'm not going to close down, they went and send her to jail. She took the jail time. Then what?
Speaker 1:the governor the governor actually offered to pay her, uh, her, fine, and the I believe it was the um, uh, the, the uh attorney general of Texas actually went and and got it, got it, did whatever he had to do to get her out, right, and then, and then, ted Cruz which is what the Senator, senator from Texas, senator from Texas went and got a haircut with her, which, which, uh, you know, uh, we also saw, you know in in in California, which basically is saying they're going to stay closed till like 2025. Um, elon Musk said hey, listen, I'm going to open up. You want to arrest me? You could arrest me. Um, they ended up backing off, which is interesting. Um, and in Wisconsin, what exact, richard? What exactly happened in Wisconsin? The, the, the Supreme court basically said you, you're not, you're not obligated to stay, or they told them that you don't have the right for the stay at home orders. Is that basically what happened?
Speaker 2:No, what? What happened was that the state's governor issued an executive order extending the the shelter orders that he had previously put in place. Um, and the Supreme court struck down the extension of the shelter order, which basically terminated it. Um, as of uh, as of the uh moment, the court ruled Right.
Speaker 1:Because another thing that happened, you know, while we were, you know, between that last podcast and this one, is that the, the attorney general of the United States, said hey, we're starting to get dangerously close to, uh, to um, you know, I guess, affecting our, our constitutional rights. So what it seems to me like Richard, like if tell me if I'm understanding this correctly, okay, cause I'm, I'm not an attorney and not even close to one Okay, um, what, what I think happened was that in in a, in short, in a short term, like in a week or two, for a, for the term of a week or two, it was kind of okay constitutionally, cause it was like kind of an emergency situation. But if you want to start extending it, then it becomes almost like an issue with the constitution and and and and our rights. Is that basically what I'm, that I understand that correctly?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, um, I mean that's, it's a, that's a, obviously a grand oversimplification, but but it, you know, it hits the.
Speaker 1:I don't know that's a is that a compliment.
Speaker 3:He said grand man, that's pretty big. Hey, thank you All right, just in case.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, fuck you or thank you. So Chairwoman you want to take, I don't know Okay.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, the government, at all levels a state, local, federal um, they have what's called police powers.
Speaker 2:Now, when, when we say police powers, we don't really mean, you know, police officers with badges and cars with lights on, we mean this inherent authority to enact restrictions, basically for the public good. Okay, and so, um, the way that they get to doing that is through various, uh, declarations of emergency. Okay, so you know, if there is a sufficient emergency, the government can enact martial law. We put soldiers out on the streets and then you know there's curfews and you absolutely can't go out, and you know you may not be able to speak, and you know who knows, right. So now, the thing is that all every encroachment on a constitutionally protected right has to pass what we call a scrutiny test. Okay, and so if we were in litigation about these things and somebody were to file a lawsuit saying, hey, you know the the order to close my business is a constitutional overreach Right, we have to find an amendment right, A constitutional right that is affected by an order to close your business.
Speaker 1:So which? Which are what, which are what there has to be some Well.
Speaker 2:I was about to say that. I was about to say that. So if we could ask the audience, right, if we could say, hey, who knows what, uh amendment, right, we would travel under. What would we say was being violated? If they tell you you can't open your business? And I think it's the uh, the right to the pursuit of happiness right, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, life and liberty. Well, liberty for sure, liberty for sure, life. I mean, you got to make a living.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no, I mean again, semantics, okay, but, but, um, but probably the pursuit of happiness, because you can't argue, you're not living right, like no one's really going to die because the business is closed.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So uh, but again we're digressing.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:We're digressing, but the point is you pick an amendment under which you're going to travel, and then the judge, but the court's obligation is to assess whether or not the restriction is reasonably tied to some prevailing public policy interest, such that the government's encroachment on that right can be justified. Okay, so in the immediate aftermath, as we discussed back then, all of these things are probably constitutionally permissible and it would be an absolute waste of anyone's time to try and question that at that time, at a time when we don't have sufficient data, we don't know the scope of the disease, we know very little about how it affects people, we don't know how many people have it. I mean, there were so many unknowns that it would be a loser all day.
Speaker 1:Right, but things don't change.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, so what happens is that after two months, you know, so you know it's like listen, if the objective was to flatten the curve, and you know the curve is more or less flattened and, by the way, it's not flattened in any way, in any place except New York. So if you take New York, whereas previously there was only a spike because of New York, now, if you take New York out of the models, you'll see that the numbers are going up. It's literally everywhere else. Now, does that justify another shutdown? No, because, remember, the shutdown initially was not about preventing spread, it was about not overwhelming the health system.
Speaker 1:Okay, and so which everybody's everybody's reporting. The hospitals are at 50% capacity.
Speaker 2:Right, correct, correct and so and so again. So the more data we have, you know, to suggest that you know many more people have been infected than we knew about. So you know we may be a lot closer to a herd immunity than we previously thought, or that the mortality rate is not as bad as we previously thought, or our ability to handle it from an infrastructure perspective. You know, once these things start creating balance again, then it becomes more and more difficult for these restrictions to survive to kind of scrutiny we were just describing. Right, the scale start to tip in the other direction, where people need to get out there and work, et cetera, et cetera. You know, out we lost him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's a good point actually he's, he's again, it's about that adult decision that has to be made, and that's kind of what he is saying. Is that tipping that scrutiny test is kind of that whole same thing. Got what we're going to say?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like. What I'm understanding is that, like at the beginning, nobody knew what was going on. Now everybody kind of knows what's going on. You've almost picked aside, you know, and it's crazy to say, but you know there is sides to this. There's the let's stay shut down forever. Every you know no life is worth. You know any dollar amount, which I agree on, but those type of those people are not counting that there's going to be an effect in life. Of course, by by every economic recession or depression or any collapse has brought in tons of deaths with suicides Over 1000%, yeah and domestic violence, child molestation kids that are substance, substance abuse, substance abuse skyrockets, hunger skyrockets.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of kids, I mean, I got, I have friends that are you know they're, they're teachers and principals and everything. And how many kids are that that? There's a lot of kids that their only meals come from school. Yeah, they eat there. They eat, they eat breakfast, they eat lunch. They probably ask their friends for the leftovers and they fill themselves up and then don't eat to the next day. That's a reality, you know. They might eat a sandwich, an air sandwich, you know, when they get home, or something like that, which you know, two slices of bread, maybe some honey, you know. So those are lives that are affected. Those are lives that that that are affected, but they're not dying. So that's, that's what the argument is to a lot of people like, well, no, no, life is worth it, I know, but you know, you got to understand that. So how do we, how do we quantify, how do we compare suffering, right?
Speaker 3:So you know you don't ask the doctors is the thing. The problem is we're only listening to one set of data points, which is only the perspective of the doctors. There's a reason why doctors don't run the world it's because they have a medical perspective. It's the same reason why attorneys don't run the world they have a legal perspective. Right, it's only when we blend all of these things together that we get an actual blended perspective so we can take and make an adult decision. If we're not asking the economist, if we're not asking the sociologist, if we're not asking everybody, it's supposed to help you make the decision, not be the decision maker.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, it's supposed to. You know, and Richard will tell you was he back on the line? Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm here.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're here. Oh, okay, so you know, Richard will tell you. Listen, I called Richard. Richard has been my attorney for 15 years. You know I'll call him a lot of times and I want to hear what the worst case scenario is. All right, rich, if I do this, or if this goes wrong, what happens? He'll tell me every which way possible. And then I got to make a decision Sure, okay, well, this could happen. But this could also happen, and he'll tell you.
Speaker 2:By the way, did you guys lose me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh shit, it's been minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been minutes, yeah, so I don't even know where you left off. But, richard, I mean, when you talk to, I mean most of the and you and I have had, obviously, conversations about. You know your clients and you know they're trying to thought, as far as you know, do they listen to you or do they not listen to you? And I would, you know, I've, as I remember correctly, you know, a lot of these, these successful businessmen. They do the same thing. They want to listen to your observation, your opinion on it, but they're going to do whatever the fuck they want at the end of the day, one way or the other.
Speaker 1:And that's kind of what I see. You're going to listen to the doctors, you're going to listen to the experts, but you know the president or the country has to make its own decision on moving forward. And that's where it gets tricky. And I understand that. You know, and now the arguments become well, you can't value money over life. That's crazy. If this economy goes to crap, the way it's going to go, if we don't open up, there's going to be way, way more death.
Speaker 3:There's more life, more life at stake, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, more life at stake.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think it's also a perspective thing. I mean, doctors deal with sick people, so they're used to. When people don't listen to their advice, I'm sorry, go ahead no that's the opposite. They deal with people that are sick. So they say, hey, don't eat that. And then they get sick and they come and deal with the doctor. So all the doctor ever sees just see the people that get sick.
Speaker 1:We're talking. I'm sorry, we're talking to somebody else. Let's talk to somebody else. Is he All right? No worries.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's the same thing with the attorneys. The attorneys typically see things when they go bad. You know they made the deal. They make 10 deals and two go bad. Those are the ones that they see, those are the ones that are in litigation. So attorneys are very much more sensitive to hey, how can it go wrong? And they know how it can go wrong because they've done that same deal 50 times and seen it gone wrong five, six, seven, 10 times.
Speaker 1:Look, I think that, richard, to kind of go back to your point I'm not sure that's where you left off or not but what I see happening next before when we spoke first, it was whether, as a business owner, if I was in California, for example, and they're telling me to stay shut down for another two months, I'm going to tell me personally, if it was me, I would just open up, I'd rather die with my sword in my hand than have them just completely shut me down. I lose my clientele, lose everything. I would do it responsibly, et cetera, et cetera. But you know, I would absolutely go after the pursuit of happiness thing, right. But now what I think is going to happen now we kind of covered that in our last podcast, right. But what I think is going to happen now is these restaurants that have been closed for two months. Now you're telling them you're going to have to open up, with more expenses because you're cleaning and those and all these exaggerated precautions that, honestly, I don't think make a difference.
Speaker 1:I think once you're in there, you're in there and you're going to catch it. Just just. That's just me. You know I'm not a doctor or anything, but you know, I think, that restaurant owners are going to try to do that whole 50% operation thing and they're going to realize dude, I can't do it at 50%, and they're just going to go 100%. And then people are going to show up there and be like how do you want me to eat with a mask, how do you want me to be inside here having drinks with a mask? Because that's the rule, too right, you're supposed to have a mask all the way until you eat or drink. Richard, is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 2:You know, I should know more about the specifics of the rule, but I don't. You know, there was an article in the Herald today where some quotes from some people you know was that it wasn't as weird as they thought. But yeah, it's my understanding that you know you have you need facial covering unless you're eating outside, and then obviously you can remove it to eat. But you know, there's even like some time limits on how long you can be there. And I mean, you know, I mean, look, there's no avoiding these exercises, okay, and there are no. You know, believe it or not, okay, there's a lot of sensationalism on both sides, okay, and just like the left, you know, the left sensationalizes, in my view, this, this problem, so, so so does the right in minimizing it. Okay, you just can't go full bore right now, okay. So you know, the science just doesn't bear it out, it's just not the best idea. Period, end of story. And so this you can't get around these baby steps back.
Speaker 2:You know I haven't heard any politician local, state or federal saying that. You know it's going to be 50% capacity forever. In fact, not even the published guidelines contemplate that. So I do think that there is an expectation from the government and, quite frankly, I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation that people comply with the guidelines to the extent possible. You know and and unfortunately it's going to take a little bit of this you know people doing things that they don't necessarily want to do for a time. You know for a time. There's a time after which, like everything else, like the shelter orders, there's a time after which the restriction is no longer reasonable. But that's not today, you know, it's just not today.
Speaker 2:So you know it's like everything else. The 50% capacity yeah, that's going to get old. It's not old yet.
Speaker 3:That's where Richard kind of left off was. He was talking about the idea that, as things go along and more and more, things are kind of skewing to the side of it no longer being legal for them to keep it shut down, there's more now, more, more weight on the other side of the of the of the scale to say, hey, you're going to start losing some of these cases now because the science doesn't bear out being shut down entirely, impinging on people's constitutional rights. I think that's where you were before, richard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Exactly. And, and you know, and on this point also, of the heightened sanitation measures and everything else, it's like, look, it's another phenomenon. We're talking about the group chats that we're in, you know, and I have one where, you know, it's my family and my extended family, okay, and Jesus knows a lot of these characters.
Speaker 1:Oh, boy dude.
Speaker 2:They're wildly colorful, some of them are are wildly wealthy and some of them are wildly Republican. And then there are some that are that are gay, gay and married to other men and they adopt, you know, you know, I mean these these very liberal positions on everything you know. And then there's a friend of the family who's in there. He runs a modeling agency, he's gay, and these guys are very progressive, right, and so it's an interesting mix in there. But what's funny is that when this started okay, when this and, by the way, one of the guys that happens To be gay and he's one of the greatest humans on earth I love this guy brewing guys names Jerry, he's a doctor.
Speaker 1:I wish we could say. I wish we could say his husband's name, because it adds a little bit of humor to it.
Speaker 2:You know he's a doctor and he's on the front line in New York, so he's obviously seeing the worst case scenario, like he's seeing the refrigerated truck holding bodies. You know I went to an emergency room here. There was nobody there. So you know everything is like you're. It's kind of like you know your environment. So you know he was maximum alarmist, okay, and he's a doctor. So you know he's talking shelter, shelter, shelter, shelter, shelter. Like and shelter and talk shit and like there's no consideration for anything else and like the economy. You're a moron, you know, just shelter, shelter, shelter. And then there's a lot of women in this chat room who, by the way, all have an incredibly Exaggerated sense of like their own work, right. So it's like the self-preservation is incredible, like they're terrified. They want to say it's about old people and all that. They're terrified for themselves. So, number one, they're happy to quarantine because their houses are better than Disney World. Okay, and I've said as much and so. And, by the way, they quarantine with their nanny. Okay, with their nanny.
Speaker 1:And like with the cool and the and the. Can I say, can I talk about the picture you sent the other day? Or where they were quarantining?
Speaker 2:They all take their yachts out, these two stories. They all take their yachts out and they're at the sandbar and, like all the yachts are Disney, they won't even get near each other. Right and so, but in the same group of people. At the beginning it was all about like how the science Requires, the sheltering period and the story, and then, like the concepts of the vaccine and the concepts of the therapy, just and as more and more like information comes out. Like you know, these people were all about vaccines. And then I said to them Let me ask you guys a question how many of you get the flu vaccine? And it was like 40% of the people in there got the flu vaccine. You know what I'm saying, right? So it's like you guys don't even get the flu vaccine. So it's like you guys talk about the vaccine, you don't even get the flu vaccine, right? That's number one. And, by the way, cindy, my wife, got the flu vaccine last year. And the flu Because, because, because that's the way vaccines work, they're strange, specific, right? And and if you get it? And, by the way, covid-19 has already mutated.
Speaker 2:And so Everyone's hero, dr Anthony Fauci, testified himself last week, on Tuesday, the world went crazy that a vaccine may not even be effective. So I said to them the other day, that day I said, hey guys, you see Fauci testimony, here's a link. And they were like, oh yeah, we heard of that. I'm like, let me ask you question Stay to reopen. The curve has been flattened, especially in New York. Vaccines may not even be effective. When it's ever will you guys come out?
Speaker 2:And then they were like well, the doctor times any says, well, it's gonna be a very personal choice for everyone, because you know me personally, I'm gonna get on a plane in July, but I don't know if I can bring myself to do it. And other people were chiming in oh my god, I can't go to a restaurant now because I'm nausea. And I'm like you see, you people only care about science when it's good for you, because you're telling me you want to shut me down based on science, but science won't bring you out of your house right now. It's a personal choice. So listen, that exact choice is the choice you got to give people. You gotta let people open. Yet, unless I'm decided, they're gonna get back to working out because, unfortunately, anthony Fauci himself come out right now. I say, hey, there's no more COVID. We eradicated it and half the country won't believe him. They're not coming out, they're staying inside anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah so you know it's like reopening in and of itself doesn't bring people back.
Speaker 1:And at what point? Until what point is? Is you have the right, just like I have the right? A car accidents are Way more dangerous than the COVID right now, statistically. I'm not this is not just me making it up right, so, but we still have the right to go out there and drive, okay, alcohol and driving kills a lot more people, right, so so, and I have the right to do that. I have the right to do whatever the fuck I want with my own body. At what point? Does you see what that's? That's where I start thinking. I'm assuming I'm.
Speaker 1:Everything I'm saying is with a question mark, richard, right, and that's to the point where, if I want to go out there and put myself in danger, that's my Human right, constitutional right to be able to do so. Right, as long as I don't put anybody else in danger. And that leads me to the next thing right, the mask. Okay, so at what point is that going to start becoming an issue? Like, I always have to have a mask on me at all times, all day? For how long? Right. So if I, if I, want to go to a supermarket, right, and I don't have a mask on me for whatever reason, okay, like I have to.
Speaker 1:And at what point does that mask become unhealthy? Right? So? So walking around with a mask and breathing that stuff all day, and so what? So at what point is that gonna become? You know, because I remember when it first came out, they there's little of literally videos saying from Fauci saying that's not gonna do anything. Now, out of a sudden they had some back-end meetings and and all of a sudden it's mandatory, right. So, man, how long?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what's the right, let me address those two points and then, unfortunately, I'm gonna have to jump, because I'm being my, my boss over here.
Speaker 2:Look it's, it's two. It's two, it's number one. The general principle is it's more of the same as Zeus. For now Everyone's gonna have to kind of put up with it, because there just isn't enough time past or crisis Allidiation to suggest that it's wholly on that. That's number one. Number two for all the reasons you indicate Enforcement, people having it, blah, blah, blah, blah, etc. The government itself is not going to be imposing the mass restriction for very long. In fact, in the county already in Miami-Dade County, they did away with the requirement of having masks on in County parks.
Speaker 2:Okay, but you have to be able to distinguish between the better the government as an actor, state, local or federal and private enterprise apart, apart, I'm the vote basically you know, public's Lowes, these people, you know, man, they can, they can say, hey, we're gonna require mass, and if you don't want to wear a mask, you're not going to go there. Okay and so and so, by the way. So, by the way, I'm gonna be the first to point out some devil's advocate arguments here. Okay, they make you wear clothes. Okay, so this the absolute. They make you worse, you know like you, you know like the absolute logic notion doesn't work for either.
Speaker 1:You just broke my heart right now.
Speaker 2:You can't say it's like oh, they're making me wear a shirt, but, but you know so, somehow a shirt doesn't violate your rights, but the mask does no. Over time, it will be clear perhaps that the science doesn't bear it out. Especially, though, you know, we can't get people to have clean masks all the time. You know, etc. Etc. Um, and, and there will be a time for that, but you know, unfortunately for now, and by the way, private enterprise can decide forever. You know as stupid as they are, you know, and so you may not have that. You know.
Speaker 2:Let's say, apple says forever you have to be in our stores with a mask, and so you know, listen, it's gonna get to the point that somebody like Apple can afford to do that. What are you gonna do? No longer have a fucking iPhone to me, a break, oh, so it's like the only time you're gonna have a mask is when you need to get an iPhone. You're gonna send your wife into Apple, yeah, but whoever's gonna go wear a mask? You know so. So it's like that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Private enterprise and government acting is two different things. I think the mask quote requirement will go away. I think it will remain. I think many businesses, the more progressive the business, the more likely you are to see that type of requirement either way. By the way, the Fauci video is the last thing I'll address. I personally think that they initially were saying that because there were no masks, like I don't know if you notice, but there's like a bazillion like the largest growing businesses in America right now like sanitizer, maker, mask, glove, like all of a sudden everyone's in that fucking business.
Speaker 2:I don't know how many phone calls I've gotten in the past three days of Contacts that I have that are ready to load me with military grade PPE. Now everybody sells PPE. So you know now that you can get masks everywhere, it's okay to tell people well, fucking, you haven't there. You know what I mean, because it arguably prevents particles. When you couldn't fucking find a mask, when when, dude, we're not even a president United States could find a fucking mask, you had to send everybody's hero out to say, no, I don't wear a mask or that, because then you know you create availability for others.
Speaker 2:But similarly, the science can change, right, you know, like they took the position now that it's less particulates. Okay, so maybe that wasn't out at the time or they didn't know that it was transmitted in water droplets. So you sneeze, they didn't know. In fact, the who said you couldn't even transmit it between people. So, as the science progressed, now we know if I sneeze on you, you can get it At last. I'm arguably projecting less, not. So these evolutions are gonna take place. Some are gonna be good for people that think like you and I do. Some of them are gonna be more painful, and we just gotta kinda see how it goes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, let me just toss this out there as maybe to make everybody feel.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, guys listen. I appreciate you always for having me on. Thank you, bro. Better luck, be good Later. Take care.
Speaker 3:I was in Home Depot this past week up in the middle part of the state. I won't say any names so I don't wanna get any people in Home Depot. I was not alone in not wearing a mask, Really, and it was wonderful. They let me in, they smiled. There were other people in there. Some had masks, some didn't. Some had masks on their little pet dogs and their purse.
Speaker 1:I had a buddy of mine told me that at Dick's Sporting Goods he walks in and they say, hey, do you hand them a mask and some hand sanitizer? And he says, do I have to wear it? Says the guy paused and says, well, we prefer that you wear it. He goes okay, thank you, walked out and didn't put the mask on. You know what I mean. So it's a weird, obviously a weird situation. I have been holding strong so far. I have not yet to wear a mask. I put one glove on the other day because I saw myself in the situation where I had to wear a mask. I was able to talk my way out of it. They gave me gloves, they gave me a mask. I put one glove on and then I realized, holy shit, I think I could talk my way out of this and while I had one glove on Michael Jackson, my way out of it.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say were you doing the Michael Jackson impersonations? What are you shooting for?
Speaker 1:But I don't know how long I could hold on, for I really don't know. I don't know. Do I have to go to home Depot soon, probably. Do I have to jump on a flight soon, probably, oh yeah, so I don't think I could hold on forever, but as of now, man, I'm holding strong because I do see it. I do see it, not because I'm some hard-headed, crazy old guy or whatever. It's just because I have the right to wear a mask or not wear a mask. I have the right. If I'm walking into a place, how does my mask, how does me not wear? How does me not wearing a mask affect your mask? So you have a mask, you have gloves and you have one of those fancy face shields that I've been seeing too right, oh yeah, how does you could walk in there with a bubble. Walk in there with a bubble. You know what I'm?
Speaker 3:saying Go ahead If you're in a bubble.
Speaker 1:How does it affect your bubble if I'm not wearing it Am?
Speaker 3:I in a bubble? Yeah, I'm wearing it. Wear your hazmat suit 100%. Take and cover yourself in Purell. Wear lead lined underwear, whatever you feel like you need to do. The reality of it is I was watching this happen for a while, cause I don't know about you, but I don't remember from 20 years ago people using a lot of hand sanitizer. It's bad for you. We become like this germophobe society. It's bad for you. I don't get when it's happening.
Speaker 1:I tell I real all the time I tell I real, all the time, like you know, you're killing your good germ, cause you have some good germ, good bacteria, on your hands and you're killing it, which is gonna make you have you defenseless. So when you don't have the soap, he usually looks at me and he goes, yeah, okay, and then he just puts it on. So what are you gonna? It's we're making ourselves unhealthier and I don't know the data on it, but it doesn't seem to me like the mask You're inhaling. You're exhaling and inhaling and you're supposed to do that up in the open and get fresh air and everything like that. I can't imagine that something's not gonna come out.
Speaker 3:Because what they're basically saying is you're putting other people's lives at risk because of your selfish behavior. This is the argument that was made for the lady in Texas, and you know, if the data bears that out, I suppose it's like not drinking and driving If what you're doing with yourself is gonna now affect other people. So there's potentially an argument there. The thing is this that science isn't actually there to say that they're speculating. They think the science is there and because they think the science is there, they are now able to reach into your life and make you do things, make you the puppet on the strings, and so, yeah, I think there's and you know what I think there should be that reaction.
Speaker 3:We are Americans and it is in our nature historically always to rebel against being told what to do. Oh, you're gonna tax the T. Okay, let's fight a war about this. We are a country that was founded on the idea of not letting government control us. We had come from Europe, most of us. When the revolution was fought, most of the people here had come from Europe and they had come under the seeing government oppression firsthand, where they come into your house, they grab you, they throw you in jail and nobody ever hears from you again yeah that's been so long already people forget about it.
Speaker 3:Well, we're so desensitized to this. I mean, I was just thinking about the lines of gratitude. I'm getting ready to take and do something else for another place, and the idea of gratitude and one of the best things that I found to do was, at the end of the day, just write down thank you and write everything you can think of from that day. You know all the little things. You know. My car started this morning. I don't. My father used to have to take and push the gas all the way down the car to preset the automatic choke on the car, which was high tech technology at the time.
Speaker 1:Now you turn the key, like it always starts, that car doesn't turn on. You're like I can't remember the last time I pressed the car thing and it doesn't turn on.
Speaker 3:The other day 10 years maybe I flew when I had to do a series. I was doing a whole week in Pensacola up through the panhandle, teaching classes, right, and I go to get on my morning flight and my iPhone won't start nothing. It is a paperweight. All of my hotel information is in there. I'm like what a spoiled brat I am that I am so dependent.
Speaker 1:I don't have a computer and I'm bad.
Speaker 3:Like I'm furious that it doesn't work and I'm like how easily I take for granted all the good things that I have. So, yeah, I mean this, does what's the technical term for it suck. It does suck a lot. I do like I mean I got that when I was up in the middle of the state I got to go sit down at a restaurant and have a meal.
Speaker 1:And you know what? That's pretty awesome. I can't wait for that. I enjoyed it so much, I think. I'm gonna do it this weekend right. This weekend everything opens up. Tomorrow, today, yesterday no, yesterday was the what I think Miami-Dade, for whatever reason, is tomorrow. That's what I'm hearing I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm waiting for the gyms to reopen, man, I mean, I want to get on an elliptical and just go for days. Yeah, see what happens, let's see.
Speaker 1:I'll leave it with this. Let's in summary. You know, I think, the way I see things is. I think I sent it to you the other day, the meme. You got half of the picture. There was two pictures. One picture is soldiers running out of their ships into Normandy, into the beaches, facing certain death, okay, and then it shows another picture of somebody hiding with a mask behind something, a wall or a seat or something like that, saying you know, this is our Americans today, facing.005% mortality rate. Yep, big difference. So, all right, guys, a little bit of an update on what's going on and thank you very much.
Speaker 3:And, by the way, questions on Questions or comments, add them to the comments and on either YouTube or in Instagram, wherever you're seeing it and be happy to get back to you on whatever you come up with. Happy to help and I know you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all right guys, thank you, all right, anything else we're good. All right guys, thank you, all right guys, thanks.
